Selling to Sheriffs Dept???

AfterLife

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I have sheriffs dept that is interested in obtaining some service rifles for the dept.... I have to turn in a proposal and I am looking for ideas on how this is conducted etc so I can make sure to include all the details. Thank you.

What is others routine with supplying the Dept???

As far as...
Purchase Order typed on a Letterhead ?
Payment ?
Delivery ?

Options ?

Who / What brands are most commonly sold to them ?
 
I have sheriffs dept that is interested in obtaining some service rifles for the dept.... I have to turn in a proposal and I am looking for ideas on how this is conducted etc so I can make sure to include all the details. Thank you.

What is others routine with supplying the Dept???

As far as...
Purchase Order typed on a Letterhead ?
Payment ?
Delivery ?

Options ?

Who / What brands are most commonly sold to them ?



I'm glad that you are having some interest from the Sheriffs Department there. I am assuming you have an FFL, since you are asking for the details on supplying them.

For agency purchase, it has to be purchased on an official letterhead, signed by the head of the department, or in the case of a huge department, the purchasing agent, etc. All of this is layed out in the rules for the FFL holder as far as the federal law goes on this. You should check your state and local laws as well.

Below is the text from the ATF website:

Q: May a dealer sell firearms to law enforcement agencies and individual officers in another State?
Yes. Sales and deliveries of firearms to out-of-State police and sheriff departments are not prohibited by the GCA. A dealer may also sell or ship firearms, other than NFA firearms, to an individual law enforcement officer, regardless of age, if the dealer has a signed statement from the officer’s agency, stating that the items are to be used in the buyer’s official duties and that the officer has not been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence. No ATF Form 4473 or NICS check is required; however, the bound book must be properly posted, and the signed statement included in the dealer’s records. You should contact your State’s Attorney General’s Office to ensure there is no State prohibition on such sales.

[18 U.S.C. 925(a) (1), 27 CFR 478.134 and 478.141]


As to the payment aspect. Its a basic business deal. You can set whatever payment terms they will agree to. It could be cash on delivery, or purchase order paid within 30, 45, or 60 days. It could also be a payment deal such as, so much for a deposit to order, then the rest paid on delivery. There is also the typical financing options where you would set up a payment plan for them. Typically from my dealings the 12 years I had my FFL I transfered any firearms on signed letterhead, and submited a receipt upon delivery that was to be paid in 45 days. The only department that I dealt with on this used something similar to a purchase order, but it had another name (cant remember now). Also please do keep in mind that a law enforcement agency does not have to pay certain taxes if I remember correctly, which is a main reason that ammo, guns, etc are so much cheaper. Last I checked back in April, Winchester Ranger RA45T (dont have the box in front of me at the moment) was around $170 per 500 round case to an agency, $240 per 500 round case to an officer, and sometimes abit more to non-law enforcement through the chain of dealers since it is restricted by the manufacturer.

As to delivery, its up to you and the department to arrange. You can deliver them yourself, they come by your store front, or you can ship them. Since this is a transfer of firearm(s) to a law enforcement agency, you are not bound to requirement that all transfers with the exception of gunshows, take place at the address on your FFL per federal law, though I would check your state law and ensure there is no conflict.

You also asked what you should supply them with. Well, anything that you can supply them with, within the law, while making a profit and beating out any other bids. Typically, things are put out to open bid, or 3-5 suppliers are asked for a price, the lowest price wins generally, depending on availability, and the working relationship with that dealer.

I have no idea what type, (rural, urban, etc) department you are talking about. The main things FFL dealers sell to law enforcement are firearms, mags, ammo, duty gear (belts, holster etc). Keep in mind that most if not all the common law enforcement ammo is generally restricted by contract. I.E. As long as you buy it to sell to law enforcement agency or officer, you are good. If the maker of the ammo or a person representing them, such as a wholesaler, etc, were to catch you selling "Law enforcement Only" ammo or other items to civilians, you may not be able to purchase any more ammo etc through that wholesaler or ammo maker.

I can't say I always agree with the restrictions that a company puts on their product, but when you sign the agreement with them, or their wholesaler, you should check the fine print, then double check it.

I hope that gives you some help.
 
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Buyer's end

I never bought guns but I have bought ammunition.

We went through a department purchaser (generally a clerical person). You found the vendor, agreed to a price and then had the purchaser prepare a purchase order on department letterhead. It is signed by someone in authority (could be departmental purchaser or the chief/sheriff). That purchase order has a purchase order number and it is sent to the vendor.

Upon receipt the vendor sends the item to the department and bills the department, referencing the purchase order #. The department will pay the vendor's bill within 30 days.
 
Fishing Cabin:

I appreciate your reply.
That is exactly the info I was curious about.

I have typed up my Quote and will be sending it in tomarrow.

Again, appreciate the help.

Hope I can get this sale, would be go business relationship to develop.
 
AfterLife said:
I have sheriffs dept that is interested in obtaining some service rifles for the dept.... I have to turn in a proposal and I am looking for ideas on how this is conducted etc so I can make sure to include all the details.

...

Purchase Order typed on a Letterhead ?
Payment ?
Delivery ?

Options ?

Who / What brands are most commonly sold to them ?
Did the department send out an RFP (Request for Proposal), or just call you up and say, "Hey, we need some boom sticks give us a price"?

There should be a written specification from the department spelling out exactly what they want. It should tell you what brand, what model, what caliber, and what options they want. If alternate brands are acceptable, it should state what brands may be offered. A decent RPF will also stipulate the terms under which they will purchase, i.e. that delivery is to be made within ___ days following acceptance of your proposal, and the Country will pay within ___ days after their receipt, inspection, and acceptance of the items.

You are dealing with a government entity, that spends taxpayer money. If there's any problem with the deal during the process, you won't be dealing with your buddy in the Sheriff's office, you'll be dealing with the County financial officer and the County lawyer. Your proposal has to include ALL potential variables, in language that becomes binding on the County if they sign it and return it. (Or if they reproduce it in their letter of authorization to purchase.)

Off the top of my head, unless you have omitted several pertinent bits of information, it doesn't sound like the Sheriff's office has given you enough information to base a proposal on.
 
Check with your County Purchasing Department - they might be able to help you make sure you use the right forms, you are pre-qualified to do business with the County, etc. Even though many Sheriff Offices like to run autonomously, many of their administrative tasks are coupled with the County to save overhead costs.

Did they issue a RFP Request for Proposal, or an RFI Request for Information?

If this is a competitive bid on an RFP, lowest bidder wins. Bids should be done at a public bid opening with bid amounts announced (here in FL, that falls under part of the "Sunshine Laws", to prevent back-room BS)
 
A bit of a follow up after reading through again for you.

I see others have mentioned the RFP (request for proposal) as well as the RFI (request for information).

Yes, there is usually a bid process at alot of agencies, though, sometimes, even with the Feds they make ask for and recieve approval from whatever person/agency oversees the purchases to bypass the bid process for certain things. With the bid process, put in the bid, follow through with a phone call to check your status on the bid, and if you didnt get it, try to see what the winning bid was, just to help you become better able to gain the business in the future.

Short story. In early 09 (I closed out my FFL in late 2010) I got a call from a friend I grew up with thats been a federal agent for many years now in DC. His part of the agency he works for had changed over from a version of the MP5 to M4's. Out of the number that they recieved, as luck had it, they had a few minor problems with a couple of them. Not a big deal. Basically either poor quality control, or just the mad rush to get stuff out at the time. Since the manufacturer was unable to help them at the time, and the other "approved" contractors didnt come up with the small parts, they called outside the list. Another dealer and myself helped them out free of charge, but it was a lesson learned. Even though it was probably less then $20 for the parts they needed. The point I am trying to make is to sometimes try to be a tad generous if they need a hand and no one else steps up. Sometimes that can help alot, even with the bid process. If I had more time and cash, because of the little help I gave them, it may have helped me get through all the paperwork to become approved as a contractor.
 
Appreciate it folks.

Not sure, Just requested a quote so I put on together based on what was discussed and sent it in. We will see.
 
Any successful bid always starts with the client making a specific yet generic request for proposal (RFP). They need to specify their needs before you can hope to serve their needs. Shortform example:"we need 20 rifles which have the following characteristics: yadda yadda. The successful proposal will provide the hardware specified within the range of $x-$y. We expect the following after sale services to be included in the proposal's bottom line cost."
Or something like that...
 
When I worked in State government there were three types of queries the department would send to vendors.

1) RFI - Request For Information. There is no commitment on the dept's part, they are fishing for ideas, exploring the current state of technology, etc. You should respond in enough detail to spark interest, but make commitment on your part at this stage. If you give a price make it a range "depending on options, quantity ordered and services."

2) RFP - Request For Proposal - This is a commitment on the dept's part. They are going to select a vendor, but they are open to different products and services to achieve their requirements. They should provide a lot of detail in the RFP. You should respond to EVERY requirement both mandatory and optional and state in the same terms they use how you will provide that requirement in your proposed solution. The dept. is required to evaluate all responses solely on the merits of their response to the specified requirements and quoted price for the proposed solutions.

3) RFQ - Request For Quote. The department has already decided on a solution and they just want to get competitive quote for the exact same set of products and services from multiple vendors. They should basically give you a descriptive shopping list of what they want. You need to be able to supply exactly what they ask for and they will be taking the lowest bid that meets all the requirements. Just a caution, oftentimes when a dept issues a RFQ, they already know the lowest bidder but they have to get three or more quotes before they can officially commit to that vendor. Sometimes they are open to a new vendor but often it is a pro forma exercise to satisfy dept. finance policy and State law.
 
What I don't understand is why the Sheriff's Department doesn't have a procedure for purchasing firearms already in place? They surely would already have information regarding the bidding process to give to vendors.
 
I have been a part of purchasing in small, small towns and in bigger places.

The big places have very formal process, policy and procedure for every last little detail.

The smaller places, unless it is over some limit like 7,500 or 12,000 often cut through a lot of that BS... as long as there is not fraud... or another vendor who is complaining they did not get the business one is not very likely to have an issue.

At times at the direction of city managers and purchasing agents we have structured purchases to avoid bidding or to ensure continuing to use the same vendor to have continuity of support.

If you are someplace small and that is how it is going to roll great, the bid spec game can be just that... one big game.
 
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