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MicroBalrog

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want a gun? then make your own.

Wouldn't it wonderful if you could make your own guns, easily, in your home, from scratch? Yes, these wouldn't be the best in the world. The quality would not be top-flight - unless you're a top-flight gunsmith, which most of us are decidedly not. However, there would be another, big difference. Gun control would die a slow, tortuous death.

Think of it this way: It is the basic tenet of anti-gun nut ideology that "every gun has once been legal". Sarah Brady and her merry gang believe, sincerely and truly, that if there will be less gun factories, thugs will have less guns. According to Sarah Brady, if there were less legal guns, there's be less illegal gun - until it all culminated in a gun free paradise, like Manchester, UK, or Moscow, Russia. But what if you could have a steady stream of guns originating in your basement? They could burn every gun factory on the planet to the ground and it would not matter.

Ever seen that NORML shirt that says "Fight Terrorism, Grow Your Own"? Effectively home grown marijuana is a nail in the coffin of marijuana prohibition, and everybody knows it - that is why Switzerland legalized it. No point prohibiting marijuana when any of those pesky hippies can have plantation in his bedroom, and you'd never know it. right? No real point having a ban on guns when every gun nut can have a factory in his bedroom either.

Well, actually, you can. The knowledge is out there for decades now, and the only reason most people have never head of it is low publicity. Many books have been written on the subject (the HEAP site has the links to them all). Do you want to make a 9mm sub machinegun? Try "Expedient Homemade Firearms, The 9mm Submachine Gun" by Philip Luty. You're a rifleman? "Home Workshop .50-Caliber Sniper Rifle" is a VHS made just for you.

But all those are print books, so the Internet has not done them justice. On the 10th of May, a project was started by Neil Smith fans called the Free Arms Project. The project is, and I quote,"committed to the development of a patent-less, Open Source, Open Engineering personal defense weapon". That is, to make it short, free. Right now, it's very light on info to say the least, but the member have already made available plans and CNC programs for the AR15 rifle and the 1911 pistol. Free.

Now, where do you come in? If you can, make yourself a legal, home-made gun. This is possible in the US. An AR15 would be good, but if you don't have a CNC machine you can make some of the legal contraptions at that HEAP site. That alone would be a terrifying statement to antis. And when you submit your new AR15 for ATF inspection (as is the law for self-made guns), don't forget to smile in the knowledge that you could have chopped two or three inches of the barrel, or programmed the computer for a different trigger group - but haven't. Not that it changes anything - those people are irrelevant. What about LUFA of Canada? The NRA (or, more likely, KABA) could start something like that tomorrow. What's the point banning them? You got the proverbial bedroom factory.

What you got now is something that the freedom haters cannot take away, ban, or destroy. Something that they fear more than guns, for it is the very basis of the freedom they hate and fear. What you have is knowledge. Spread it. Send a link to Free Arms and HEAP to every European gun enthusiast you know - they might even start making their own. How long would EU gun laws last, in minutes, if they did? Mind you, I'm not suggesting you break the law. There's nothing illegal about learning how to make guns, even in Europe. What the Europeans decide to do with it is their own choice (although I would be pleased if someone used that info to start some European version of LUFA).

You want to show gun controllers wrong? You want to demonstrate their ultimate stupidity? You want to drive another nail in the coffin of Karl T. Frederick and his ilk? Want to take revenge for the S&W Agreement? Learn to make your own guns.

Boris Karpa, May 2004,
Ashdod, Israel
HEAP site
http://www.webleyweb.com/heap/
Free Arms Project
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/free-arms/

Self-Defense Network
http://www.rkba.co.uk/sdn/homemade.html
 
Micro-
Welcome back.

There's two problems with your post:
1) You are talking as though none of us are aware that there are numerous resources that describe how to create weapons from readlily available materials. This is no great discovery to us. They've been around for decades.

More important is:
2) You are publicly advocating activities that are illegal. That's fine. Your name. Your deal. Your problem.But you don't get to drag TFL members into that discussion.

Case closed. Thread closed.
Email or PM me should you require additional info. Thanks in advance for your understanding.
Rich
 
Mea Culpa. Mea Culpa.

Thanks for the PM's and legal cites, guys. I had missed the fine print.

Micro-
I've taken the liberty of highlighting your statement that indicates you're taliking about legally homeade firearms. My previous post has not been deleted....as a reminder to me! :o

Carry on with my apology.
Rich
 
I can’t help thinking back to the footage shot during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. Peshawar, Pakistan was, and probably still is, the center of a cottage industry manufacturing guns. In workshops, many scarcely bigger than my closet, lit by kerosene or Coleman lamps, Pakistanis were building working firearms for the Afghani mujahedin. The most sophisticated tool I recall seeing was a treadle powered lathe.

Haven’t researched it lately, but as I recall you can legally build up to five guns a year without an arms manufacturing license.
 
I thought I was fairly "up" on these things. But other than 80% receivers that you intend to SELL, where is this "requirement" stated as being required for self made firearms - IE made for only your own use?

"And when you submit your new AR15 for ATF inspection (as is the law for self-made guns), "
 
It's not so much a requirement as CYA move. The ATF views every new self-loading design as a potential machinegun. Getting ATF approval shows that the tech branch couldn't convert it to automatic fire within an alloted time, so that they won't spontaneously declare it as a machinegun later.
 
Yeah, but the real question is: what would the political consequence be if we popularised the practice?
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I'm sure the leftist extremists would have a hissing fit to end all hissing fits.

If I weren't such a klutz, I'd have taken up making my own guns years ago.
 
What has the court stated on the purely intrastate commerce in firearms?
This court has not had recent occasion to consider the nature of the substantive right safeguarded by the Second Amendment. If, however, the Second Amendment is read to confer a personal right to 'keep and bear arms,' a colorable argument exists that the Federal Government's regulatory scheme, at least as it pertains to the purely intrastate sale or possession of firearms, runs afoul of that Amendment's protections.
-- Justice Clarence Thomas, Printz and Mack v. United States
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What I would like to see, if I read the decision by the 9th correctly, a repeal of the language in each of the states under the 9th that says you can have a machinegun ONLY if you adhere to the federal laws.

Becuase then, you could "roll your own" and as long as it didn't go over state lines, you are legal.

Just a pipe dream is all :D.

Wayne
 
For the most part, commerce that NEVER crosses State boundaries is viewed as NONE OF THE FEDS BUSINESS. However, in the case of drugs (and in many cases firearms), if so much as ONE single component has EVER crossed state lines, it's fair game for the Feds to "control". Which could mean that you might have to prove that you smelted your own steel from ore found in your own back yard (so to speak) to really get past the oppressive and missused "interstate commerce" clause.
 
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