Barry in IN
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"Gun-centered skills or no?
Did you add firearm training/skills to empty hand and/or knife skills you already posessed; or did you start with firearms training, later "tacking-on" empty hand or edged weapon training?
Does that affect your force and escalation options, and, if so, how?"
That is an old post from another forum, which I ran across while doing a search for something else. It got me thinking.
I also wondered what everyone thought here. I thought I'd toss it out to play with a while.
It was on a self-defense forum for various skills, rather than a gun board, so the respones may be different here. Most there said they had empty hand or knife skills first, then added firearm options later.
I found that interesting, but even more interesting to me, was the force escalation discusion it started- About whether people with gun-centered skills would be more apt to use empty hand methods basically as means to access the gun, rather than going up the force options level by level, meeting what force was presented to you in the fight.
A lot of people thought one should only meet a given type of force with the same level. Apparently, it was presumed that the fight would escalate in an orderly, organized manner. The thought was to avoid being the one escalating things.
I think that makes an already dangerous situation more so. Or could, depending on the situation of course.
I can't imagine most people being able to keep up with a rapidly shifting fight that goes from verbal, to empty hand, to knife defense, to firearms, without getting caught one step behind. Which may be dead.
I also think it's near-impossible to give a blanket "I will do _____" answer. It depends on the couple million factors involved in each incident.
For what it's worth, I have a "gun background", and added some basic empty hand strikes to my "toolbox". They can be used as stand-alone measures, or as a way for me to get to the gun(s).
As far as me justifying any force escalation, I may be in a different situation than most. I'm disabled, and walk with a cane a lot. Heck, if I hit someone nowadays, I will probably do more damage to myself! I really can't allow myself to fall behind in an escalating scenario, nor I would I do well in an extended fistfight.
Any opinions on all this?
Did you add firearm training/skills to empty hand and/or knife skills you already posessed; or did you start with firearms training, later "tacking-on" empty hand or edged weapon training?
Does that affect your force and escalation options, and, if so, how?"
That is an old post from another forum, which I ran across while doing a search for something else. It got me thinking.
I also wondered what everyone thought here. I thought I'd toss it out to play with a while.
It was on a self-defense forum for various skills, rather than a gun board, so the respones may be different here. Most there said they had empty hand or knife skills first, then added firearm options later.
I found that interesting, but even more interesting to me, was the force escalation discusion it started- About whether people with gun-centered skills would be more apt to use empty hand methods basically as means to access the gun, rather than going up the force options level by level, meeting what force was presented to you in the fight.
A lot of people thought one should only meet a given type of force with the same level. Apparently, it was presumed that the fight would escalate in an orderly, organized manner. The thought was to avoid being the one escalating things.
I think that makes an already dangerous situation more so. Or could, depending on the situation of course.
I can't imagine most people being able to keep up with a rapidly shifting fight that goes from verbal, to empty hand, to knife defense, to firearms, without getting caught one step behind. Which may be dead.
I also think it's near-impossible to give a blanket "I will do _____" answer. It depends on the couple million factors involved in each incident.
For what it's worth, I have a "gun background", and added some basic empty hand strikes to my "toolbox". They can be used as stand-alone measures, or as a way for me to get to the gun(s).
As far as me justifying any force escalation, I may be in a different situation than most. I'm disabled, and walk with a cane a lot. Heck, if I hit someone nowadays, I will probably do more damage to myself! I really can't allow myself to fall behind in an escalating scenario, nor I would I do well in an extended fistfight.
Any opinions on all this?