Self Defense Ammo vs Target Load

wickedrider

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I am new to handguns and relatively new to the forum. I purchased a handgun for self protection (though the handgun competition does intrigue me). I have read extensively that there is ammo that is specifically devised for self protection and there is also ammo specifically devised for targets. As I am sure that there are many new handgun owners who purchased for self protection, I have a question regarding ammo.

Because of the "ammo shortage" and cost, I have had to resort to the usage of target loads for self protection as I feel that "something is better than nothing". What are the risks of using target loads instead of the self protection ammo? Note: I am using .40 cal.

Are there more questions that I should be asking?
 
FMJ loads dont expand on impact like HP's do. Although some HP's get the holes filled with debris(such as heavy clothing) and dont expand anyway, it is still the best bet. To make it simple you will be making a smaller hole in the BG, and it will be less likley that you will hit a vital organ. The FMJ's also will penetrate deeper, they could go through the intended target and hit something or someone behind it. If all you can find is FMJ's to use for SD, so be it. I would, and have had to do the same thing. IMO, the best self defense rnds. are Gold Dots so if you come across some, grab them up is $$ allows.
 
There's plenty of self defense ammo around. Your local gun store and walmart aren't the only places that sell ammunition. Cabelas, Sportsmans guide, midway usa, and many more have 40 cal hollow points in stock. It's the plinking/target ammo that's difficult to find. But for self defense, you only need 1 box. Unless you plan on shooting 20 times at a person. And no, you don't have to practice with the more expensive self defense ammunition.
 
SD ammo is usually jacketed hollow point for maximum expansion and designed for maximum penetration. Range or "target" ammo is usually full metal jacket and may be lower power than the SD stuff. It's often about half the price of the SD stuff, too.

The whole point of practicing is to know where your gun shoots at various ranges with your carry ammo. Don't switch around carry ammo. Find something with good ballistics that your gun likes and that you're accurate with and stick with it.

Now that you've picked your carry ammo, you have two choices.
1. You can practice with your carry ammo - but that tends to get very expensive very quickly.
2. You can find a good practice ammo. If it shoots to the same point of aim as your carry ammo - that's great! You're good to go. If it shoots to a different POA, then you will need to practice with your carry ammo periodically to keep your aim true. You'll also need to keep acquainted with the noise and recoil of the carry ammo, which may be different from your practice ammo.

I practice with whatever's available at a good price. :eek: Every time I go to the range, which is 2-4 times a month, I run a couple of magazines or a couple of cylinders of my carry ammo though whichever gun I'm practicing with that day. As a side note, I clean my guns after each range trip (usually 50-100 rounds).

Because of the "ammo shortage" and cost, I have had to resort to the usage of target loads for self protection as I feel that "something is better than nothing".
That's interesting. Our local gun shops and ranges have plenty of SD ammo, but aren't allowing any "for use outside the store" sales of range stuff.
 
While target ammo is better than nothing, you'll be much better off with a good premium self defense load.

Any load from a major manufacturer that's intended for self defense will be fine PROVIDING it shoots where you want it to and functions 100% in your gun.

20 years ago, finding a good load wasn't easy. That's all changed. The major companies have done their R&D and they all make a good product. Everyone has his favorite, but remember, whatever you go with is going to be somebody's first choice.

Gold Dot, DPX, HydraShok, whatever.

Check http://gun-deals.com/ammo.php?caliber=.40+S&W for availability and prices. Lots of good stuff out there.

Premium ammo isn't cheap, but you probably won't be shooting all that many people.
 
Wickrider, There is another way to get great range ammo and thats to get into reloading. Pick up the book ABC's of Reloading and I think you will see the advantage of rolling your own. I've wondered over the years do I reload to shoot or shoot so I can reload. Its a good hobby and very addictive.
 
You should be able to find SD Ammo easier than target ammo. The best place for selection though is the internet.

I just ordered some double tap ammo and got a shipping confirmation within like 2 days.

www.doubletapammo.com

I havent shot any of it yet, but cant find anybody to tell me anything bad about it:D
 
i ordered 2 box's of Double tap 2 weeks ago,and it took almost a week for my order to be filled and it just arrived from ups ground today.
after a week of not being shipped from DT,i emailed them and it was shipped the next day.
but i think thats still kinda quik seeing they have to be slammed with orders.
even thier SD loads are as cheap as the target rounds i been buying locally.

for my gun they have a "bonded defense" load wich the hollow point looks like the mouth of a large mouth bass.

not only that the loads they give you are generally hotter than any store bought stuff.

also on a side note when i went to the range today i was shooting my 10mm with cheapo blazer fmj's and when i was picking up my targets i found one of the bullets just laying on the ground,it wasnt deformed at all and just had a slight scratch on it.so im glad i have plenty of SD rounds on hand.
 
You should definitely have defense ammo. Reduces the risk of over penetration, and thus collateral damage. Most importantly, if you are in a fight, it has a better chance of stopping a fight.

I Shoot 9mm, and I use 115 gr FMJ for practice. (Various Brands)

I carry 124 gr Federal HST for protection, and I keep this loaded in magazines full time, except at the range.

You should always save room in your budget for defense ammo.

I recently bought an AR 15 rifle, and I set aside some money for a good defense load. I settled on Hornady TAP FPD 55 gr.

My 2 cents
 
Practice practice practice

I've become more serious about shooting the last 10 ears so here's my .02. It's generally accepted wisdom that even shooting a pellet gun is good practice for shooting a regular firearm. You are still using the principals of marksmanship in that you are using sight alignment, sight picture, breath control and trigger squeeze to shoot your best. With that said it's also a good idea, as previously posted here, to shoot the ammo through your gun that you are going to be using. IMO the number one reason you do that is to assure that your gun will reliably feed the ammo without jams or stove pipes, etc. It's also nice to feel the way the extra kick of a Gold Dot for instance, feels and get familiar with that sensation. The self defense rounds kick more and you should get acquainted with that extra boom. I ROTATE my defense ammo every 6 months or less. If I have to leave the extra mag in the car or forget it in the glove box and it stays in the car over night when the temp gets down in the freezing range I think about the reliability of the bullets in question. It gets used. I have rarely had a round not fire due to freezing even repeatedly in the trunk of the car for weeks. Still I feel safer having a fresher better cared for round in the gun in case I need that first round to be in perfect shape. Shoot a variety of ammo just to make sure your gun will be using t with out a problem should the need arise. I found out at the range that my compact glock(27) had a bad magazine. Better to find out in practice than in the middle of a home invasion.
 
When selecting a self-defense load for your .40 caliber pistol, you should consider the following;
  • Bullet weight: Look for a moderate weight bullet. The 180gr is the heavyweight and 155gr the lightweight. I'd prefer a 170-175gr but most .40 ammo seems to use a 165gr instead. The lighter bullet generally recoils less. A heavier bullet usually penetrates tissues better.
  • JHP design: Huge frontal cavities look mean, but depending on your gun may not feed well. Look for bullet designs with a rounded edge near the hollowpoint for more reliable feeding.
  • Testing Cycle: It is crucial that you test the performance of your SD ammo in your gun. Don't rely on what someone else says works flawlessly. Verify it yourself. See comments below
  • Do some research. If you search each ammo maker's website, generally you'll find a FMJ "range ammo" in their generic brand that uses the same weight bullet at a similar velocity. If you can't find it by the same maker, compare what others have to offer. You may end up with a Remington JHP load and use a Federal practice load because it has the same ballistics (bullet weight/speed).

Testing on a budget
A lot of self defense ammo can cost between $0.50 to $1.25 per round. This makes extensive testing an expensive proposition. Especially if you're forced to buy them in 20-round boxes instead of 50-round boxes which are generally cheaper per round. You can test your SD loads and still have some left over out of 40 rounds.

Each gun is different, even within the same caliber & model series. My pistol may be reliable and accurate with 180 grain Federal Hydrashok, but yours may not feed it reliably or it may not be very accurate. Always test your SD ammo in your gun to ensure it is reliable and accurate.

To test, load a magazine with FMJ ammo and leave room for 5-8 JHP rounds at the top. Carefully fire all the JHP rounds to assess their recoil, noise, flash, accuracy and reliable feeding and extraction. If you encounter failures to feed, fire or extract then try a different brand or bullet style.

The next test is to load 2 rounds of JHP, 3 rounds of FMJ, then 2 JHP, then 3 of FMJ, until you fill the magazine. The top round in the magazine should be a JHP. Manually chamber a JHP and top off the magazine with another JHP. This will test the reliability of the JHP in various positions, under varying spring pressure, in the magazine.
Ammo should feed flawlessly throughout. If the JHP ammo causes any malfunctions, try a different brand or JHP design.

If everything has gone fine, you've used up 16 rounds (out of 40). Now load 10 JHP rounds atop FMJ's in the magazine. If possible at your range, you want to rapid fire several 2-shot and 3-shot strings at 3-7 yards, one handed. This will test the reliability of your SD loads when fired quickly with one hand (presuming your other hand is occupied). You should experience no stoppages of any kind. All of your shots should hit the target, of course.

If your ammo passed these tests, it's likely to work fine. Obviously firing a few hundred rounds is a better test, but on a budget (with today's prices) these tests should prove to be good indicators of performance.

Being "frugal", I will sometimes only load the first 8-10 rounds of one magazine with premium SD loads. The rest will be either "generic" JHP's that work in my gun or FMJ ammo. The thinking here is that as a civilian if the application of 10 rounds hasn't solved the problem, I'm in a furball of a fight. I'm trying to find cover and shoot at others who are trying to find cover, so penetration is now king, not expansion.
 
Thanks for the help. I am currently purchasing my target ammo from WalMart. Dick's had some JHP for 29.00 for 20 rounds. I'll look around and see what I can find. I just find that the prices of ammo at the range's are steep. I'll will purchase some JHP's and then look around for the best prices.

Potential collateral injury caused by the FMJ's really concerns me.

Thanks again.
 
I wouldn't worry about using the high priced 'self defense' rounds for a .40. Target rounds are good enough, considering the caliber. The .40 packs a wallop no matter what you're shooting.

However, as said by others above, hollow points are generally your best bet for HD or SD to avoid collateral damage. That's what I use.

IMHO, people put WAY too much fuss in defense rounds (hydra shock, gold dot something or another????). Who cares. I certainly don't waste my money on them. I honestly don't believe these rounds live up to their hipe. Perhaps in smaller calibers which lack power, but a .40 or .45? I seriously doubt they make that much of a difference in the real world.
 
I'd say just pick up whatever JHPs you can for SD. I think "popular" SD rounds (speer gold dot, federal hydra-shock) are overpriced solely on the basis that they can overprice them because they are popular. I've never ever, ever heard of an incident where a victim could have survived "if only his hollow point expanded 0.2 mm more."
 
NightSleeper said:
I wouldn't worry about using the high priced 'self defense' rounds for a .40. Target rounds are good enough, considering the caliber. The .40 packs a wallop no matter what you're shooting.

I'll disagree with you here. While some target loads are the same velocity (in some cases actually faster) than premium JHP ammo, the FMJ does not disrupt tissue like an expanding point bullet. If you're talking about using the "generic" JHP ammo... very often you're using much older (and cheaper) designs and technology that are not reliable expanders.

For instance, both the Federal American Eagle 180gr FMJ (AE40R1) and Hydrashok JHP (P40HS1) move at 1000 fps, but there will be a significant difference in the amount of damage caused by each round.

No handgun load is so effective that one cannot find examples of where it failed to stop a subject with a single or even several shots. Even if using a .40 S&W, I'd want at least the first 5-6 rounds to be high quality JHP ammo.
 
I will disagree as well. How is a .40 that doesn't expand at all, better than one that expands to .76" better? Here's a test from stoppingpower.net

DPX .40 140gr-thru 4 layers denim--13" penetration, rec dia-.76"- Your going to tell me that fmj is a better option?
 
BillCA:

No handgun load is so effective that one cannot find examples of where it failed to stop a subject with a single or even several shots. Even if using a .40 S&W, I'd want at least the first 5-6 rounds to be high quality JHP ammo.

I agree!

I have a high cap 9mm, it's loaded with 7-8 rounds of HQ JHP:D, but the rest are Fiocchi +P+ FMJ NATO rounds.

"Go ahead, hide behind that wall!":cool:
 
Murph,

One can be too cheap... after all, it's your life. But the above testing seems to be the bare minimum that I would suggest is feasible. At the price of premium ammo, running 2 full magazines or more gets expensive fast... (that means buying 3-4 boxes of ammo just to get started).

Elvishead,
The shape of 9mm FMJ seems to be a good penetrator all by itself. But if you've gone through 8 rounds not making a hit or not an effective hit, the presumption is that you're behind cover, getting behind cover, finding concealment or impersonating Jessie Owens doing the 100-yard dash! :D
 
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