Seen this on the PT 145 frame problems ??

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22lovr

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Excellent close-up graphics showing the extent of frame failures on the Taurus PT145. Wow, if that's polymer, it appears to be of poor quality, porous looking......something like particle board.

I love my two Taurus revolvers but I would be a little apprehensive about buying one of these........

www.defensereview.com/print.php?sid=197&*
 
That article's link is to pt145.com, which has been around for awhile. Taurus gets Mfg of the Year at the SHOT show. What a joke.
 
Yeah, I've seen that.
I wrote that.
PT145.com is owned by TFL's Stratfordholdings, and had collected with permission, images and info from other TFL members.
There is a new problem with the 145 that is cropping up. The safety levers are shearing off too. PT145.com will be updated with that info shortly.

Acording to TAURUS - there is no problem with the pistol and it's a fine carry gun. However should you have any problems with it, they will of course repair it promptly for you.

I think Taurus is having a nightmare on it's hands. They are facing some serious issues should this information get mainstream.

They need to change the design &/or the matterials in the gun so this doesn't happen in new guns. But to do that, it would have to admit there is an issue. To admit there is an issue is to accept returns on all of the Milleniums ever sold. These problems are not just in the 145, but are accross the board. 9MM and .40 Calibers as well. Taurus doesn't have the plastic pistol concept quite down yet.

(Email from Taurus any moment now:
"Dung Hill doesn't know what he is talking about...")
 
No kidding. I love this gun's design. I would like to own one.

But not with these issues.

This is why a company like Taurus needs to hire someone with a "Material Science" degree when you want to play with new polymers.
 
The photos are of a gun made in May, 2001. Sometime after August or September last year, Taurus MAY have gotten its act together with a redesigned "frame" strengthened in the right places, etc. Owners who had their older ones repaired have noted the new frames have looked different.

I haven't been able to find any reports of cracking in newer PT-145s, but that may be because nobody's buying them. :D

The last one I looked at was made in January, 2002, and it was a sweet, tempting sucker -- but I passed on it anyway....

Jury's still out, though. It would help a lot if Taurus didn't seem to be in such deep denial.
 
I think what Taurus needs to do now is flat out discontinue the Millennium series, and recall all of those that are out there. Then go back to the drawing board, and come out with a new polymer series with a new name - not "Millennium".
 
I bought a new .380 PT138 back in April. Put about 150 rounds through it and it broke. The trigger would pull but no bang. Sent it in for repair and Fed Ex delivered it back to me today. I really wanted to like the gun, but I think I'll trade it for a KelTec or something......
 
Even the new ones have issues.
There is still no getting around it... these guns suck. They are dangerous. If your counting on it for defense - your are putting yourself at risk.

If you have one - Don't carry it. Don't shoot it. And please, do not pass it on to some uninformed person.
Suggested uses:

Paper Weight.
Anchor for model boats.
Fishing "sink".
Hot-Glue it to a a hunk of wood, spray paint it gold and make it a plaque to award your local IDPA championship, Police Officer of the year, etc.
Shift nob for your hot-rid.
Vacuum seal it in plastic and use it to make molds to pour plastic reproductions for movies and stage props.
Throwing contests.
Spray paint it silver and use it as a hood ornament for your next pilgramage to SHOT SHOW.
Poker chip.
Pencil holder.

Any other ideas for them?
 
There is a pic floating around of a PT-140 that has sheared it's pins and the slide is lifted off the frame.
Had the guy tried firing it again - it could have caused injuries.

But that is not what I am talking about. I'm talking about a gun that could fail you at the moment you need it the most. That is not cool. And in fact, that is dangerous.
 
The PT-140 seems to be a .40 in a 9mm design, which is dumb in the first place.
But that is not what I am talking about. I'm talking about a gun that could fail you at the moment you need it the most. That is not cool. And in fact, that is dangerous.
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No argument there, but that's only different from a jam of any kind or failure to fire because these latter failures are completely without warning.

We go to the range and shoot the carry ammo from the carry load until we're confident that NEXT TIME, the gun will go bang. I've never gone out the door with a gun with pieces missing, visible cracks, OR ammo I didn't trust, and I doubt anybody else has either under normal circumstances.

These PT-145 cracks seem to develop progressively giving pretty good warning that the gun's broken instead of being sudden, catastrophic failures.

There are many documented frame failures of PT-145s, but absent functional failures or injuries, I wouldn't classify them as dangerous.

Something far more troubling about using ANY Taurus for a CCW is the tendency of the internal lock to automatically lock. :barf:
 
George Hill -

But that is not what I am talking about. I'm talking about a gun that could fail you at the moment you need it the most. That is not cool. And in fact, that is dangerous.
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I don't think it would....IF you rarely shot it. If you bought it new, and kept it under 200 rounds fired, I think you could count on it. (yeah, I know...)
 
As I've said elsewhere on this board:

I've got a PT140 with about 500 rounds through it so far, and I've not ANY of the symptoms anyone else has had with the Millenium series. I wonder if I perhaps just got a (the?) good one, or perhaps we are being typically human and focusing on the bad.

I'm not saying there isn't a problem--with the number of reports we've got, there is one, but how do the numbers compare between Milleniums sold / Milleniums broken?

-Teuf
 
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=87911&highlight=failure

No I wasn't injured, but had I not noticed that two pins had sheared, I was 1 pin from taking a slide in the teeth.

I will never own another Taurus Semi-Automatic, even if they do fix it.

Firearms are not a product that you breach my trust on, and in my opinion, based on my personal experience, Taurus has no integrity left whatsoever.

These guns should have been recalled already, that they have not speaks volumes for Taurus.

-SS :mad:
 
SS that is a good point. I don't think I'd buy one either even it was fixed.

Now, about that if you don't shoot it...
What? How are you going to practice with it? You need to be shooting your carry gun at least once a month. What your only going to be going firing 2 or 3 rounds a month?

UNSAT.
 
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