Seecamp .380

Erich

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Just saw it in American Handgunner. Am I the only one that's skeptical about when it will be available, how hard it will be to get, and how much it will *actually* (forget list price) cost?

Pretty neat, though. It's supposedly the same size as the .25/.32, and they are supposedly gearing up to produce 50% more per day. I'd buy one, if I could get it at list price within a reasonable time frame. Seecamp's just been perpetually backordered, though, and the bootleg prices for the .32s haven't seemed worth it.

I wonder whether Beretta and NAA are going to try to up-gun their .32s into .380s. Can't wait for the .357 Sig version!
 
I understand that the lifespan of this 380 is only going to be several thousand rounds. You may want to do some further checking with Seecamp before a purchase.

[This message has been edited by Tom B (edited May 26, 2000).]
 
I read that the lifespan was going to be 200 rounds, top! If that is indeed correct, I think I'll pass even if it's half the cost of the 32.
 
This question was raised on another forum and Larry Seecamp was asked about it. Here is his response, which was also posted to rec.guns at the time (23 Feb 2000):


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I guess you're asking about the life of the LWS380?

I think the race car analogy in the release sheet kind of touches on it.
I would think that after a grueling race the car is not destined for the
scrap heap, but is rather overhauled and can be used in another race.
If the gun starts acting up on the shooter, behaving in a different
manner than it had previously, and the cause cannot be traced to
something simple like the ammunition or the recoil springs, the shooter
should get the gun back to us for maintenance so that we can restore it
to its original condition.

The test LWS380, which was picked for a test gun because many of the
properties of the gun were borderline and not ideal, went 800 rounds
without any maintenance of any kind -- no spring replacements,
lubrication, cleaning, etc. Nevertheless, my recommendation is to
replace the recoil springs after 200 rounds to be on the safe side.
Also, I've shot that particular pistol well over a 1000 rounds of mixed
ammunition total and the main parts appear in fine shape. Just about all
the visible
wear occurred during the first few boxes fired, with no appreciable wear
once the parts had married up. I thus don't see any reason why the life
of the pistol shouldn't surpass the life of the shooter, unless the
shooter is using heavier loads than the recommended Silvertips and/or
using the gun like a practice combat gun. Some things like shooting the
gun hot, for example, can adversely affect the physical properties of
the pistol over time. (Stainless retains heat exceptionally well, and
the gun should be
allowed to cool during a shooting session. Excessive heat retention can
stretch the barrel, change the temper on the springs, etc., etc.)

The answer therefore is: A thousand rounds is the floor we established
for the service life of the gun without any visits back to the factory.
After that, it may be that some pistols will have to be sent back to us
for maintenance. I can't say that this is necessarily expected, only
that it's a possibility. Do I foresee any LWS380s being worn out beyond
the point where they cannot be restored? Not really. But again, it's
important the pistol not be allowed to get too hot, which can change
mechanical properties, and that the shooter take note of changes that
may occur during shooting so that he doesn't aggravate an easily fixable
problem.

Hope this answers it.

By the way, anyone who needs to put thousands of rounds through a pistol
like the LWS32 or LWS380 in order to be able to hit the vital zones of a
man sized target at mugging distance is not a customer I want.

Regards, Larry


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That's the official response.

Regards,

Ken Strayhorn
Hillsborough NC
 
Larry Seecamp forgot to mention that putting thousands of rounds of .380 through a blowback gun that small and light would be a very unplesant experience! :)
 
Sorry to be so negative, but this sounds like a 'disposable' gun. If a gun is going to need factory work after a 1000, or even 2000, rounds, it can hardly be worth the price and doesn't sound reliable.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FUD:
I read that the lifespan was going to be 200 rounds, top! If that is indeed correct, I think I'll pass even if it's half the cost of the 32.[/quote]

FUD could you please tell me where you read that. I'd like to check it out.
 
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