See Thru Mounts ?

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Guyon

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I did a search on this topic, but found very little. What I did find was not very positive.

Many don't like the cheek weld that results from these higher mounts. For me, this isn't a problem since I'm tall and have a long neck. I still get a nice cheek weld using both iron sights and scope.

Others seems to think that these mounts are more prone to losing accuracy. However, I don't really see how this can be true as long as you've installed them correctly (with loctite) and you don't knock them pretty hard. Any mount can be knocked off track if bumped hard.

Anyway, I'm wondering: Does ANYBODY like see thru mounts?
 
No. I don't like them. Millet sells a scope ring that has pistol sights on it. Since your primary cheek weld should be with your primary sight why not do it the other way around? You also get a less-stable mount and a more cumbersome rufle. Also, the scope axis and bore axis are farther apart and reslut in less accurate sighting.

http://www.millettsights.com/turnin2.htm

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If you want to know why 'see-thru' mounts are bad, then try putting a rifle with them on it in a rifle vise, and a collimator in the bore. Look through the 'scope and push gently on the side of its tube with your thumb. Watch the crosshairs move across the collimator screen. Give the 'scope a light bump with your hand...as it might get taking it off a pick-up rack or out of a case. See how the zero changes. Loc-tite is no fix for an inherently delicate and unstable mounting. Get low, solid mounts. People buy see-thrus so that 'they can use the iron sights if the 'scope gets knocked out'. Well, DUH, with see-thrus, the 'scope is CERTAIN to get knocked out.
 
Badger thanks for that link, that is exactly what I have been looking for for my FAL. I shoot it much better with a scope, but I always doubt having a relitively delicate instrument mounted on my end of the world gun. :D

Thanks!
 
Guyon,
hi,
I hate to differ,

But I put ironsighter mounts under my Leupold and haven't "knocked off zero", in over 3 years.

Now I bought see thru sights for my first rifle because:


1) I was nervous that my one rifle had to do everything. I was not certain that extremely close shots in the woods would work thru a scope. (shot a doe at 15 yards in 1999 using the scope last year so this argument loses credibility, but I still am not going to give up the option of iron sights.)

2) Just in case the scope was ever taken out, by a rock, came loose, or just Mr Murphy in general. ( I check the mounts at least twice a year, BUT...)


Have not had problem, and hope it stays that way.


By the way, I have determined that the NEXT hi power rifle will not have see thru sights, HOWEVER, I will have the current rifle as backup. The rifle I have now was bought as if I would never get another. I hope to get many more, but I wanted this one to be as general purpose as I could get.

Now my FIL has a tip off scope mount, and when you want to use iron sights then the whole scope swings off to side.
I don't like that one, I doubt the repeatability of zero for that setup. But it is good enough for him.

So what do you need them for? if this is a target rifle, why? The detachable mounts weren't part of my investigation, but maybe you should ask around about them.

HTH and YMMV,

Gfrey
 
Gfry. What type of tip off mount are you using. I have a Pachmeyer mounted on a .338 Win. Mag., and I've had no trouble with the zero changing while tipping back and forth.
Paul B.
 
Paul B,

It is on my FIL's deer rifle. (Which is a 141) And it is a used unit. And what I recall is that there was no positive stop on the unit when it was over the barrel. so it could stop in the same position, or be in a different position than when you started.


Maybe the .35 remington factory ammo is just that way,
but I recall getting 3-4" groups, and my FIL said that is as good as it gets. I wasn't happy with that, which is one reason I didn't buy that style rifle. (and I even saw one at a gun show...) Fast forward to now and with my .30-06 using reloads I can get sub 1". (maybe I am that much better now?)

Anyway, the original thread was about taking down a 141, and I was trying to be helpful. (my wife says I am a VERY trying person :rolleyes: )

I don't think my FIL is going to change his scope mount. He got this one from his brother, or nephew, and is satified with it, however, _I_ was not.

Will I buy more seethru mounts? Probably not. In the SAME scenario would I do it again (see my first post)? Probably.
Have I had trouble with my Leupold on my ironsighter mounts? NO.

If I again thought I had to account for scope not useable I would probably get detachable mounts, but I haven't researched that yet.

In a perfect world when I buy a new rifle my thoughts were to move the Leupold to the new rifle on solid lo mounts and put a 1.5-5 on the .30-06 on solid lo mounts.

HTH,
Gfrey
 
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