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Good Evening everyone,

Bit of a late night post but I have work tomorrow, so i figured I would post now and check back tomorrow. Anyway,

Im looking to upgrade optics on both of my rifles, Im tired of worrying if my scope is going to go out of whack or my mounts will come loose, so here are my scope choices and I'd like you guy's opinions if possible. Thanks!

For Savage Axis in .22-250 Rem.:
Nikon Buckmasters II 4-12x40mm with BDC reticle
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/48...ifle-scope-1-tube-4-12x40mm-bdc-reticle-matte
The price is attractive, and what I've seen they hold zero and it's perfect for my use (target and varmint shooting out to 400 Yards Maximum)

For H&R Handi Rifle in .300 Blackout:
Nikon Buckmasters II 3-9x40mm
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/48...rifle-scope-1-tube-3-9x40mm-bdc-reticle-matte
For deer and target work out to 200 and 250 yards (respectively) it should be fine, yes?

Both very well priced scopes and the reviews I've seen have been positive. Still would like you folk's opinions a swell, though

Thanks for any further advice and suggestions. I'm also buying new mounts for my Savage, so suggestions there would be appreciated. Thanks again!

Regards,

-Mo.
 
You do not need that much scope for the Handi as a good 30 mm tube 3x scope will do all you can expect from this short barrel 300 Blackout rifle. I would not anticipate using it for deer much beyond 150 yards unless you spend a lot of time (and ammo) at the range to determine bullet drop at given distances. Do not take a reference chart as gospel, make your own tests and record results for field use.
 
For mounts I really like warne rings and bases, it's what my axis in 308 is wearing.

As for glass, I've never been much for Nikon but admittedly have no real reason for that.

Personal opinion on my end... I like Leupold if you can get a bit more money. Their basic scopes run 200. You can also look at Redfields (pretty much exact same scope different markings)

I also really like the weaver classic K scopes I've used probably 3 or 4 of the K6 scopes. All the ones I have/had are very clear, track well. The one on my axis rode around in my trunk for over a year never lost zero. For the money I really don't think those can be beat unless you must have a variable power.

For the handi rifle I really don't think you would need more than 4x scope
 
SWFA 6x42 would be a good choice for either rifle.
For the Handi rifle if you want something with a little less power I have Millet 1x4 (DMS) designated marksman scope I just removed from my AR.
It has a unique recticle in it.
It has what Millet calls the dot in a donut (dot in an outer circle) they illuminate red, works great in low light conditions, also with the scope set on 1 power you can use it as a red-dot scope.
I'll take $165 shipped to any address in the original 48 states.
 
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What do you have on the rifles now, and what makes you think they are going to fail? Nothing against Nikon, but I see no need to replace a scope that hasn't failed that has been working. Neither cartridges your rifles are chambered for is going to be hard on scopes.
 
It's your money but, there's better glass in those price ranges for the money. They do have a great warranty department, they should since you'll be using it. DNZ, Warne or Talley for your mounts.
 
Aren't those new scopes this year? If so, I doubt anyone has much of a valid opinion...

As to the BDC, personally I would not want a scope that had a BDC that didn't match the ammo I intended to run with the gun. Otherwise they're sort of useless. I find I generally want either a basic fixed power scope with a duplex reticle, or a full on mil/mil exposed turrets setup.

For the Handi Rifle I would personally go with a Leupold 4x fixed. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/1362544390/leupold-fx-ii-rifle-scope-4x-33mm?cm_vc=ProductFinding Keep it "handi"...

The .22-250 is kind of in the middle. If I actually planned to take 400y varmint shots, personally I would need to range those either with a mil reticle or with a rangefinder. I can't just eyeball the distance well enough that far out not to get misses. Then I would want something that let me dial my drop. The SWFA 6x scope already mentioned would probably be one of the cheaper things I'd trust. It's heavy, but they do work - I own the 3-15 version, and there are lots of unbiased reviews on them. http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-6x42-Tactical-Riflescope-P53711.aspx I would definitely get the mil turret version - having a mil reticle and MOA turrets sucks.
 
"For Savage Axis in .22-250 Rem.:
Nikon Buckmasters II 4-12x40mm with BDC reticle
For H&R Handi Rifle in .300 Blackout:
Nikon Buckmasters II 3-9x40mm"

Although I do not care for Nikon's BDC reticle, I have had a Nikon 4-14X BuckMaster scope with Mil-Dot reticle for several years. Never a problem with it.


"Going to need warranty service..."

You have to be kidding or have no actual experience.


Other scopes to consider for the Handi Rifle would be the Weaver 1-3X "Classic V" and the Millett 1-4X DMS Illuminated scope.

Have one weaver "Classic V" and two Millett 1-4X DMS scopes. One is mounted on a AR type .308W rifle (no it is NOT an AR-10:rolleyes:). Other is on a Remington 12g shotgun with fully rifles barrel. Like with the Nikon scope, never had a problem with any of these.

T.
 
Nikon makes a pretty good scope for the money I have there 4-16x50 BDC Monarch on my 30-06 TC ICON deer rifle. I also like there Prostaff series its a great scope for little money. As far as mounts I love the Talley one piece mounts on my hunting rifles if they aren't available for my rifle then I really like the Warne Fixed mounts.
 
"Going to need warranty service..."

You have to be kidding or have no actual experience.
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I've had four Nikon optics, every one of them has broken sooner rather than later. I've had one Leupold break, one Simmons break, zero Weaver's break, zero Bushnell's, zero Trijicons, zero Burris, zero Bausch & Lomb and zero Ziess break. Heck, I think I got better service out of Tasco than I did Nikon.

Someone on here once said, Nikon sells a whole lot of refurbished scopes. No thanks, I'd rather have mine furbished the first time around.
 
As to the BDC, personally I would not want a scope that had a BDC that didn't match the ammo I intended to run with the gun. Otherwise they're sort of useless.
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Do you realize just how close the trajectories of various loads are. Unless you and your rifle is capable of shooting 1" groups out to 300-400 yards any generic BDC type scope is close enough to be used with any common caliber and bullet weight.

I use similar scopes from Leupold and Burris on 308, 30-06, and 300 WSM with 150-180 gr loads in all 3. I also shoot 223 with a similar scope. The trajectories are so close out to 400 yards that I simply zero all at 100 yards and use the dots at longer ranges. It isn't always perfect, some loads are right on, with some loads the bullets impact 1-2" above or 1-2" below POA. But it is far from useless. Getting within 1-2" of your point of aim at 300-400 yards is good enough for most people especially when it takes a pretty good rifle and shooter to get 3-4" groups at those ranges.

I'm not a fan of Nikon scopes, especially the ones with the BDC reticle. It is the worst reticle design out there in my opinion.
 
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I have used around 500 Nikon scope's in the PR/Shooting Event's I have been participated in over the last 6 years and never had one break. Most of the Nikon sponsored Event's involve a life time plus woth of shooting in 2 days. 1000's of rounds through bolt action rifle's and AR's of cals. Shotguns,muzzleloaders,pistols and crossbows, not one failure. As for using Nikon's BDC reticle scope's, theyare designed to be used with Nikon's Spot On Ballistic Program to dial in your specific shooting data. How well does it work? I have watched guy's hit 4 inch containers of Tannerite at 600 yards, believe me, when that happens you get an instant believer.
I haven't put my hands on any of Nikon's new II optic's yet,but I will certainly pass on pics and my thought's when I do.
When looking for any scope, I always tell guy's to try and look down as many tubes as you can so that you are buying the optic that you feel meets your needs the best.
I agree with some of the other guy's on the scope for your handirifle, maybe check out Nikon's P-223 3X Carbine scope, I have one on one of my Blackout's and love it. Gets you on target quickly for an accurate shot.
 
Midway had the Burris Fullfield 2 3-9x40 on sale for $138 and free shipping. I got two.
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I have a Fullfield II in the 2-7x35 version. It's sharper and brighter than my straight-tube (20mm) Leupold. Might be a good combination of size, quality, and magnification for your Handi-Rifle.
 
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