School time

gburner

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Well the bell has rung and we are all seated with #2 pencil in hand.
The instructor today will be covering the topic of Nagant Revolvers. I am ready to learn from any and all of my esteemed peers about this intriguing firearm. Please feel free to beat me about the head with your knowledge....

In other words, whazzup with this funky Russian gat?
 
i had a book called"The Soviet War Machine"that explained the Nagant in a little detail. i only remember it having the cylinder gap seal,and can't give you any dates or numbers on the thing. awfully nice idea for a combat revolver,for the time.
i lost track of the book or i'd spew.sorry.
 
BTW-i don't have a good mind for numerical detail,but the book i referred to is a great lesson in soviet war doctrine. it coincides with an actual military document a friend gave me durring his time in service. we use to play alot of stategy games and it was simply seen as a boon for alternative war philosophy.
there are some great eye witness testimony of a german officers first encounter with a T-34,and another against the newer illusion(?spelling?) fighter plane.
the Battle of Kursk chapter was phenominal,and led me to study alot more of the eastern front conflicts durring WWII.
 
The development of better powders, including smokeless powders, in the 1880-1890 time frame meant that bullets could be driven faster than was possible with black powder. This being true, the same lethality could be achieved with smaller bullets moving faster instead of big bullets moving slowly.

This resulted in development of the (then) small bore rifles, like the German and French 8mm, the British .303, the American .30 (.30-40) and the like. The same thing happened in revolvers, and the old big bore 12-15mm revolvers were replaced by smaller calibers in the 7.5-9mm range. In the U.S., the .45 Single Actions (Colt and S&W) were replaced by the .38 revolver (1892). (The U.S. later returned to the .45, but that is another story.)

Actually, the Russians were rather late in adopting a small caliber revolver, mainly due to a chronic lack of money. Sweden had adopted a Nagant design in 1882, and Switzerland a similar type (though not a Nagant) in 1887. Russia adopted the Belgian designed 7.62mm Nagant revolver in 1895,, and that is the model number usually given it.

Most revolvers have a gap between the barrel and cylinder, necessary to allow the cylinder to turn, but a point at which gas escapes reducing, at least a little, the velocity of the bullet. The revolver adopted by the Russians gets around that problem by sealing the gap. The Russian revolver is not totally unique, as the sealed cylinder design was used on some civilian guns, but it was the only widespread use of the design. In the Model 1895, the cylinder is moved forward so that circular cutouts in its face fit around the end of the barrel. If this were all, the gap between the barrel and cylinder would be reduced, but would still be present.

But the Nagant cartridge has its bullet seated deeply in the cartridge case, and the case is of a length to protrude beyond the chamber into the cylinder cutout. When the cylinder moves forward, the mouth of the case is inserted into the end of the barrel, so that when the gun fires, the gap is completely sealed by the case.

This has been proven to have been an unnecessary refinement, and millions of revolvers have been made without it. But the revolver served Imperial Russia and the USSR well, in two world wars, and was not fully taken out of service until 1947.

Many writers, apparently never having actually seen one of the guns, have described them as complex, delicate and fragile. This is nonsense. It is true that the mechanism has a few more parts than other revolvers of the type, but those parts are big, rugged and gave almost no trouble. Even the long and fragile looking firing pin rarely failed.

The age of the design, though, is shown by the fact that it is a solid frame, with a loading gate on the right hand side. Case ejection is by a rod that rests in the middle of the cylinder base pin until it is pulled forward and swung to the side to act as an ejector.

Disassembly for cleaning involves swinging the ejector rod to the side and removing the base pin to remove the cylinder. The internal mechanism is exposed by unscrewing one large screw on the right side, which allows release of the side plate on the left.

The double action trigger pull is, as might be expected, quite heavy but not impossible. Single action pull is not bad and consistent with other revolvers of the period, though not as good as contemporary Colt double action revolvers.

HTH

Jim
 
Thanks....

I have my eye on one at the local gunny for $99.00. Mechanically sound, blueing is about 95% with some holster wear around the muzzle.
There is a russian star above the left handle with the date 1944 below the star. There are various other marks that I did not jot down. Is this a fair price? Is ammo still available?
 
Almost all the Nagants I have seen recently have been heavily buffed and reblued. I think I can pretty well say that any gun made in Russia in 1944 saw some use, and that the gun in question has been refinished.

I think that price is pretty good. A while back they were running less, but now some places are charging $150 for a plain WWII gun and twice that for an early gun. All are refinished.

I think one with the original finish and original wood grips (plastic grips were part of the refinishing) would bring a fair amount more.

Fiocchi was making ammo for them with the gas seal case, and there is a spare cylinder being offered for .32 ACP, though I don't know why they didn't make it .32 S&W or .32 H&R Magnum. Of course the .32 ACP would not have the gas seal.

Jim
 
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