School shootings reignite gun control debate

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Advocates say administration ‘in denial’ about weapons’ role in violence

WASHINGTON - It’s an American way of death. More than 30,000 people die from gunshot wounds every year, through murder, suicide and accidents.

That is an average of 82 a day, and prospects for reducing the toll are dim.

The debate between gun control advocates and the pro-gun lobby was reignited briefly this month by four school shootings between Sept. 26 and Oct. 9.

In one, a man carrying a pistol, a shotgun and 600 rounds of ammunition shot 10 girls execution-style at an Amish school in Pennsylvania, killing five of them, and then killed himself. In another, a 13-year-old took an AK-47 assault rifle to his school in Missouri, pointed it at administrators and other students and fired it into a ceiling.

At a hastily arranged White House Conference on School Safety on Oct. 10, panelists covered topics ranging from metal detectors and school bullies to the value of religious beliefs and good communication between parents and schools.

But the word “gun” was not mentioned until a plucky teenager pointed out to a panel moderated by Attorney General Alberto Gonzales that the common factor was easy access to high-powered firearms. President George W. Bush and his wife Laura Bush attended separate parts of the conference but avoided mention of guns.

“The Bush administration is in complete denial regarding the catalytic role that guns play in school violence,” said Kristen Rand of the Violence Policy Center, which like other gun control advocates was not invited to the conference.

“How is it even possible to have a discussion about preventing school shootings without talking about guns?”

'Far out of line'
Justice department figures put the number of guns in private hands at more than 200 million —more than any other country — and swelling by several million every year.

The annual U.S. production of pistols, revolvers, rifles and shotguns for the domestic civilian market has been running at between 2.6 million and more than three million for the past seven years, according to the Bureau of Alcohol, Firearms, Tobacco and Explosives.

“The U.S. level of lethal violence is far out of line with those of other industrialized nations,” said David Hemenway, director of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center. “The fact that most of our lethal violence involves firearms lends credence to the hypothesis that the prevalence of guns is a prime reason.”

That hypothesis, widely accepted in much of the rest of the world, is hotly contested by American advocates of unfettered access to guns, led by the National Rifle Association, who say that the second amendment to the Constitution gives all law-abiding citizens the right to bear arms.

“It’s not guns that kill people,” the gun lovers’ mantra goes, “people kill people.”

The NRA wields enormous influence in Washington and traditionally backs candidates in local and national elections on the basis of their stand on one issue — gun ownership — regardless of their party affiliation.

Successful lobbying has led to a string of NRA of victories over its gun control adversaries. In 2004, Congress allowed a ban on assault weapons — such as the AK47 used in the Missouri school shooting — to lapse.

“Clearly, the past two years represent one of the most successful congressional sessions that gun owners have ever had,” the NRA said in a message to its four million members this month, in advance of midterm congressional elections on Nov. 7. “All our hard work and vital victories must be protected.”

Congress 'in denial'
Proponents of tighter gun controls see things differently. “Congress has been in denial about gun violence ... and is moving in the wrong direction,” said Joshua Horwitz, the executive director of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence. He noted that the annual death toll from gun violence in the United States is ten times the total of U.S. combat deaths, to date, in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Statisticians say such comparisons are misleading but the parallel has been drawn before, most notably by then-President George H.W. Bush, the present president’s father, after the end of the first Gulf War.

“During the first three days of the ground offensive, more Americans were killed in some American cities than at the entire Kuwaiti front,” Bush said at the time.

“Think of it, one of our brave National Guardsmen may have actually been safer in the midst of the largest armored offensive in history than he would have been on the streets of his home-town.”

That was in 1991, when the U.S. murder rate, driven by turf wars between crack dealers, reached an all-time peak of 24,700, according to FBI statistics. It declined steadily in the 1990s and stood at just under 17,000 last year. Guns accounted for two thirds of the killings.

“There are signs of changing attitudes towards guns, particularly among younger Americans, said the Violence Policy Center’s Rand. “But change will come slowly, over the next 20, 30 years.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15386044/from/RS.5/
 
I wonder if anyone has ever thought of starting a Council on Stupidity?
Of course if you got rid of the stupid people that would probably amount to genocide and I suppose we can't have that.

I just do not, in my deepest thoughts, understand why gun control advocates and anti-gun people cannot see that guns are not the problems here. It is people and not just people, but people not willing to do anything!

People wanna blame videogames, movies,rock music, rap music,television,etc, but they never wanna blame themselves for what they might be doing wrong with their kids.

The problem with America is not guns,it's not violence, it's not music,movies,videogames,or anything of the sort. The problem with America today is people are not willing to own up to anything. Everyone wants to blame someone or something. It makes me ill and it's to early for this. :barf:
 
I have noticed that more people are seeing such articles for the BS they are. Reding the article feedback I can see that it is getting better.
 
Isn't it interesting how these shootings occur in 3s, kinda like celebs dying.
I have always wondered about this phenom.

waterdog
 
Isn't it funny how they always attack the NRA? Okay so it is the poster child, But if the NRA has such power as they claim. They also claim that they are on the winning side (you probably see where I am going with this) so why is the anti-gun lobby not bigger stronger etc? To answer the question Gun control would not have stopped the Red Lake school shooting. The kid stole the guns from his father. A leo. A noticed that Sarah Brady was mysteriously absent from that one. It baffles the mind how anyone can be so short sighted. At one time the cross bow was considered to be the "evil black weapon" of the day. 100 years from now they'll be trying to ban laser shooters. People think that guns cause violence and it's is just plain and simple stupidity. Violence existed long before guns ever came about. In Roman times (Historians help me out) in one battle against Hannibal more soldiers were killed then the entire KIA of the Vietnam war. And all without a single firearm.
 
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