Schofield calibers

Doug.38PR

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http://www.uberti.com/firearms/top-break.tpl
looking at the above link and the three different calibers for the Schofield, was the .45 caliber ever used on the original schofields? or are they just something the replica's picked up out of convenience because .45s are easier for modern shooters to come by?

What is the .45 compared to the .44/40? weaker? stronger? What?
 
The original Scholfields used the .45 SW. The case was shorter than the .45 Colt and had a larger rim. If the Trooper had a Colt SAA he could shoot both cartridges, but the Trooper with a Scholfield could only use the .45 SW. Since the .45 SW is obsolete the replica revolvers are chambered for the .45 Colt.
The .45 Colt was what amounted to the magnum in those days. The .45 SW would just about equal the .44-40 in a revolver.
 
I actually checked some reloading manuals earlier today to see how close 44-40 and .45 Colt were in velocity and muzzle energy. Pretty close with a slight edge to the .45 Colt. However, to those who had the misfortune to ever encounter the wrong end of either caliber, the difference would have been largely academic.
 
Yes it will go in the chamber.
That does NOT mean it is alright to SHOOT a .44-40 from a .45 chamber.

How do you figure that? As one other poster above said, the .45 is a little more powerful than the .44-40 (or .45S&W). That being the case, why wouldn't a .45 be able to handle a .44-40?
 
In the day, 45s were called many things progressively. 45 Colt, 45 S&W, 45 Long Colt, 45 Government and there were NO 45 caliber lever action rifles. The case was a baloon head, the head would have simply been ripped through by an ejector and jammed the rifles. S&W had made the mistake of using proprietary cartridges in their shorter frame/cylinder breaktops. The US procured the revolvers and their ammunition. Noone seemed to think it mattered that Colts could use both forms, short and long 45s and the S&Ws could ONLY use the short 45s. The supply system often sent the long 45s to units armed with S&Ws and effectively disarmed them. This is why the S&W 45s became obsolete besides double action revolvers coming into use. The CAS shooters began reusing old single actions for sport in the 80s. The 45 cartridge case had evolved and 45 caliber levar action rifles were invented/created. The reason was that many Colts, Rugers, Hawes, Great Westerns, Hammerlis/Interarms and EMF/IAR and other importers were mostly in 45 Long Colt. When ASM-Armi San Marcos and Uberti began manufacturing their breaktops, they added the extra length to them so that they could shoot the far more available 45 Long Colt. 44-40 was easily handled in the same length cylinder. I have herd that ASM made 38-40, 44-40, 44 S&W, 44 Russian, 44 Colt, 45 S&W and 45 Long Colt versions. Uberti made similar claims in advertising. Uberti now produces 38 Specials. The ASMs were dangerous to shoot. They had universally defective latche and flew open when fired. The ASM manufactured S&W clones quickly became gunsmith specials and can still be found NIB for cheap prices. I think they are POJ wallhangers but, some have been modified and they work. The S&W clones are not compatible with black powder. There was a quack gunsmith who said he could modify them to run with black powder. The revolvers were butchered, ruined and dangerously altered. Be wary when buying used S&W clones. The only ones I suggest are Navy Arms/Replica Arms and current Cimmarons.
 
The major reason for there being no lever action rifles in .45 Long Colt was that there was virtually no rim. Apparently a number of manufacturers tried, and as often as not the extractor would simply skip right over the rim.

Many balloon and folded head cases were fired out of all sorts of rifles, including lever actions.
 
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Uh, Doug, if you put a .44-40 in a .45 Colt chamber and pull the trigger, you will be launching a .427" bullet down a .452" barrel. This is not actually unsafe to the gun or shooter (I have seen it done by Cowboy shooters who used both and got them mixed up.) but it is not effective. Kind of a "Poot" and maybe dust flying in the general vicinity of the targets. And a lot of hoorawing of the careless.

Get them mixed up the other way and you have real trouble, there are few more solid jams than a .45 cartridge hung up in a .44 rifle. There was a real historical Texas Ranger who did so and managed to unscrew the sideplate on his Winchester with the point of his Bowie knife, clear the jam, and rejoin the fight against the Indians. He bought a .44-40 revolver when he got back to town. On the other hand, there was a real historical figure who carried a .44-40 revolver for commonality of ammunition. He had a case swell, split, and tie up his revolver so he swore ever after to shoot rifle ammo in a rifle and sixgun ammo in a sixgun and so rearmed with a .45 revolver.
 
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