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bountyh

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Is it possible there is some kind of link between the saudis and these terrorists like Al Qaeda? I mean, I can't believe there COULD be what with our President's lips so firmly attached to the Saudi ambassador's butt cheek... yet, there does seem to be a pattern here?


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,143215,00.html

Report: Mosul Bomber Was Saudi
Tuesday, January 04, 2005

CAIRO, Egypt — The homicide bomber who killed 22 people when he blew himself up in a U.S. mess hall in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul was a Saudi medical student, an Arab newspaper reported Monday.

Saudi-owned Asharq Al-Awsat (search) identified him as 20-year-old Ahmed Said Ahmed al-Ghamdi (search), citing unnamed friends of the man's father. The friends said members of an Iraqi resistance group contacted al-Ghamdi's father to tell him his son was the homicide bomber who carried out the Dec. 21 attack, the deadliest on an American installation in Iraq.
 
The sad part about it, bounty, is that we really don't know: and all the Fox, or NPR, or SeeBS, or whatever, . . . news will never tell us all of the truth.

Politicals, Dem or GOP or Fascist or KKK or Hug-A-Tree, all have their own personal agendas that their "party" is forwarding. They would all have us believe that they are forwarding the "party line", but the sad truth is that the "party line" is forwarding their own personal financial/egotistical/whatever needs and desires. That is just a fundamental part of being a politico.

That said, . . . take a real good look of everything east of the Mediteranian, south of the Black Sea, north of the Indian ocean, and west of India and you will only find two groups of people there who have even a half baked idea of what true freedom is: Israel and Kuwait, and I'm not really sure about the last one.

These folks have been under some dictator's thumb for over 2000 years, . . . guess we'd be goofy if we were like that. The only freedom they can exert on that whole bunch of corrupt governments, . . . is to choose when and where they will waste their own life in pursuit of some stupid martyrdom.

Time to get off the soap box.

May God bless,
Dwight
 
There is more of a link between the saudies then there was with IRAQ, and we invaded that country costing billions, and thousands of our soldiers lives (they served honorably, and I support them, as they do not have a choice in the matter), for..............Bushes personal vendetta
 
A link? Okay, it looks like most of the troublemakers are Saudi. Too many spoiled rich kids to go with the oppressed ones. (Do me a favor though and save the butt cheek stuff for the schoolyard.)

Googled up at random:

"Bin Laden was born in Saudi Arabia around 1957 to a father of Yemeni origins and a Syrian mother. His father, Mohammed bin Laden, founded a construction company and with royal patronage became a billionaire. The company's connections won it such important commissions as rebuilding mosques in the holy cities of Mecca and Medina.

Mohammed bin Laden took numerous wives and fathered about 50 children. Osama was the 17th son, the only born to a later wife. In a society where status within a family is highly important, bin Laden would therefore have been of relatively low rank.

Bin Laden studied management and economics at King Abdul Aziz University in Jedda, Saudi Arabia, coming under the influence of religious teachers who introduced him to the wider world of Islamic politics."


His family got so sick of him that they gave him a couple of hundred million to leave the country.

John
 
intersting

It is possible that John Loftus may know more intelligence secrets than anyone alive. As a former Justice Department prosecutor, Loftus once held some of the highest security clearances in the world, with special access to NATO Cosmic, CIA codeword, and Top Secret Nuclear files. As a private attorney, he works without charge to help hundreds of intelligence agents obtain lawful permission to declassify and publish the hidden secrets of our times. He is the author of four history books, three of which have been made into films, two were international best sellers, and one was nominated for the Pulitzer Prize. In 2002, the SHOWTIME channel will begin filming “SECRET WARS,” the pilot of a television series based on Loftus’ life story, starring Jon Voight and Aidan Quinn.

As a young U.S. Army officer, John Loftus helped train Israelis on a covert operation that turned the tide of battle in the 1973 Yom Kippur War. During the Carter and Reagan Administrations, he investigated CIA cases and Nazi War Criminals for the Attorney General of the United States. In 1982, his “60 Minutes” expose of Nazis on the US government payroll won the Emmy Award for outstanding investigative journalism.

Born in Boston, Loftus now lives in St. Petersburg where he volunteers as the first Irish Catholic President of the Florida Holocaust Museum, the fifth largest in the world. Their goal is to end racism in our children’s lifetime. After recovering from colon cancer, he is now completing his fifth book, a look at the Middle East through the life of Jonathan Pollard. Before his illness, he had been rated among the funniest and most inspiring speakers on the international and college lecture circuits. Now he’s back with a totally different lecture that could not be more timely.

THE TRUTH ABOUT TERRORISM: an all-new lecture from Attorney John Loftus

This charming Boston Irishman can reveal the most chilling secrets of terrorism, but leave an audience laughing and inspired at the end. John Loftus has an encyclopedic knowledge of the Top Secret history of terrorism including current Islamic attempts to obtain atomic, biologic, and chemical weapons. His forthcoming book, “Prophets of Terror: Jonathan Pollard and Peace in the Middle East” tells how negligent politicians ignored intelligence warnings that a wave of Arab warfare was heading to America.

Surprisingly, Loftus says that the worst attacks are almost over, and that terror weapons such as Anthrax really do not work well in the real world. His talk is humorously subtitled “Terrorism for Morons”. He believes that we may be witnessing the death throes of the fundamentalist terror states, and the birth of a renaissance of modernity in the Middle East. His inspiring and insightful explanations bring comfort and clarity to all.
 
hmmmmm

A captured Al Qaida document reveals that US energy companies were secretly negotiating with the Taliban to build a pipeline. The document was obtained by the FBI but was not allowed to be shared with other agencies in order to protect Enron. Multiple sources confirm that American law enforcement agencies were deliberately kept in the dark and systematically prevented from connecting the dots before 9/11 in order to aid Enron’s secret and immoral Taliban negotiations.

The suppressed Al Qaida document tends to support recent claims of a cover-up made by several mid-level intelligence and law enforcement figures. Their ongoing terrorist investigations appear to have been hindered during the same sensitive time period while the Enron Corporation was still negotiating with the Taliban. An inadvertent result of the Taliban pipeline cover-up was that the Taliban’s friends in Al Qaida were able to complete their last eight months of preparations for 9/11 while the Enron secrecy block was still in force.

Although the latest order to block investigations allegedly resulted from Enron’s January 2002 appeal to Vice President Dick Cheney, it appears that there were at least three previous block orders, each building upon the other, stretching back for decades and involving both Republican and Democratic administrations.

The first block came in the 1970’s, as a result of Congressional reaction to domestic espionage against the anti-Vietnam war movement. In a case of blatant over-reaction, the FBI placed all houses of worship and religious charities off-limits for any surveillance whatsoever unless there was independent probable cause. This meant that all Mosques and other Muslim meeting places for terrorist groups were effectively off limits until after a crime had been committed. The block order was not lifted until last week by Atty. General Ashcroft.

The second block order, in force since the 1980’s, was against any investigation that would embarrass the Saudi Royal family. Originally, it was designed to conceal Saudi support for Muslim extremists fighting against the Soviets in Afghanistan and Chechnya, but it went too far. Oliver North noted in his autobiography, that every time he tried to do something about terrorism links in the Middle East, he was told to stop because it might embarrass the Saudis. This block remains in place.

As the combined result of these two blocks, the Saudis were able to fund middle eastern terrorists in complete secrecy during the 1990’s through a network of Muslim charities in Virginia, Tampa and Florida. The Saudi funding network was targeted at the destruction of the State of Israel and the obstruction of the Palestinian peace process.

The Saudi funding conduit has now been exposed and shut down by means of a private lawsuit, Loftus vs. Sami Al Arian, which is currently pending in Hillsborough County, Florida. The lawsuit, filed on March 20, 2002, influenced the government into raiding the Saudi charities in Herndon, Virginia, a few hours later.

After filing the Al-Arian lawsuit, Attorney Loftus began to receive very detailed documents and information about a third block: a prohibition on investigations concerning the Taliban. In the early 1990’s, a consortium of American oil companies (lead by Unocal) had hired Enron to determine the profitability of building an oil and gas pipeline across Afghanistan so that America could have access to the Caspian Sea Basin, holding 1/8th of the worlds energy supplies.

There is no doubt that these secret negotiations existed, and that they were known to Al Qaida. Loftus recently received an FBI translation of a highly classified and encrypted Al Qaida document, circa 1997-1998, which was retrieved and decrypted from a computer laptop following the Embassy bombing in Africa. The document was written by Osama Bin Laden’s military commander, Mohammed Atef, under his nom de guerre, Abu Haf, and reveals extensive knowledge of the supposedly secret pipeline negotiations, and their potential economic worth to the Taliban, Pakistan and the U.S.

Former Afghanistan CIA agent Robert Baer has recently published a book charging that the cover-up of the 1990’s pipeline negotiations revealed extensive financial corruption inside the Clinton administration, and contributed to the lack of intelligence before 9/11. The Taliban negotiations temporarily collapsed in 1999 after Clinton reversed his NSC advisor’s policy, and ordered a missile strike against terrorists in Afghanistan.

However, in January 2001, Vice President Cheney allegedly reinstated the intelligence block and expanded it to effectively preclude any investigations whatsoever of Saudi-Taliban-Afghan oil connections. Former FBI counter-terrorism chief John O’Neill resigned from the FBI in disgust, stating that he was ordered not to investigate Saudi-Al Qaida connections because of the Enron pipeline deal. Loftus has confirmed that it was O’Neill who originally discovered the AL Qaida pipeline memo after the Embassy bombings in Africa.

O’Neill gave an overview of the Enron block to two French authors who will soon be publishing in the United States. The FBI is currently investigating Loftus’ links to John O’Neill, and is also refusing FBI agent Robert Wright permission to publish his own findings about the Enron block.

Loftus asserts that the Enron block, which remained in force from January 2001 until August 2001 when the pipeline deal collapsed, is the reason that none of FBI agent Rowley’s requests for investigations were ever approved. As numerous British and French authors have concluded, the information provided by European intelligence sources prior to 9/11 was so extensive, that it is no longer possible for either CIA or the FBI to assert a defense of incompetence.

It is time for Congress to face the truth: In order to give Enron one last desperate chance to complete the Taliban pipeline and save itself from bankruptcy, senior levels of US intelligence were ordered to keep their eyes shut and their subordinates ignorant.

The Enron cover-up confirms that 9/11 was not an intelligence failure or a law enforcement failure (at least not entirely). Instead, it was a foreign policy failure of the highest order. If Congress ever combines its Enron investigation with 9/11, Cheney’s whole house of cards will collapse.

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