Savage sending me a NEW serial numbered rifle straight to my house?

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So I sent a rifle into Savage about a month ago, they said the rifle had too many problems and they are going to replace it with a new rifle/serial #, I live in New Mexico and they told me I do NOT need to go through an FFL even though it is a different serial numbered rifle being sent to me. I have asked 3 different people at Savage and they all said the same thing and said the only reason to go through an FFL is if they sent a different MODEL number, but since its the same exact model apparently it can be shipped straight to my door? Has anyone else ever ran across this? I do not want to be breaking any laws or anything, I always thought new rifle replacement means going through an FFL?
 
I mean I'd probably just take the guys who ship guns all the time's word for it but that's just me. Plus if the ATF busts down your door you have records of the conversation with Savage. They're a fairly big company, it's not like they'd risk a lawsuit for one customers gun.
 
"...I do NOT need to go through an FFL..." You're not. They are. Whatever was wrong with the other one is being fixed by Savage replacing the whole thing. Warrantee repair thing.
Savage is not going to do anything that could be remotely construed as illegal. Relax.
 
I used to think so too, but S&W did the same for me back in the 1990's. That was over 15 years ago and the ATF hasn't visited me yet.
 
Ruger replaced a CMD for me a couple years ago, the replacement had to be thru an FFL. New 4473, new transaction. 4473 is a federal requirement, nothing to do with state law in Texas. I think they are wrong unless the law is different for a long gun.
 
Ruger replaced a CMD for me a couple years ago, the replacement had to be thru an FFL. New 4473, new transaction. 4473 is a federal requirement, nothing to do with state law in Texas.
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Somebody at Ruger may believe that, but:

How would a licensee record the disposition of a replacement firearm in the licensee’s records?

A licensee who receives a firearm for repair or customizing, and who returns a replacement firearm, must record the disposition in the licensee’s acquisition and disposition record. However, no ATF Form 4473 is required if the replacement firearm is returned to the same person from whom the licensee received the firearm being replaced. The replacement firearm must be of the same kind and type.

[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A); 27 CFR 478.124(a) and 478.147]
Last Reviewed September 23, 2016

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/how...sition-replacement-firearm-licensee’s-records
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Glock replaced a pistol for me many years back. Came straight to me. They of course "exchanged" the pistols.
 
I think the key here is new serial #, which IMO would require a 4473.If not then why can't manufacturers just sell guns to individuals direct and then ship them out? A gun sent back for repair can be sent back to the owner because the serial # has not changed. New ser.# means new gun = 4473. I'm no expert.:o
 
IANAL. Once you pass the NICS deal, you're on the good-guy list for the original rifle. The factory logs the disposal of the first rifle and the shipment of the replacement. If there is a search by some LEO, the current owner is on record.
 
Stoeger had to send me a "new" shotgun last year and it came right to my door.

Now I will say shipping to them was the ultimate pain. UPS required me to have them fax their FFL to the store but I had to go to 3 UPS stores before someone finally told me they had to do it through their customer support center which of course doesn't list their fax or phone number to the public...Makes sense, right?:confused:
 
Im PRETTY sure the RIFLE MFG is up to speed on Federal Firearm laws. As I understand it having read the above before they got it right.




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I think the key here is new serial #, which IMO would require a 4473.If not then why can't manufacturers just sell guns to individuals direct and then ship them out? A gun sent back for repair can be sent back to the owner because the serial # has not changed. New ser.# means new gun = 4473. I'm no expert.
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Go to post #7. Read the relevant quote. Click on the link and read it again on the ATF website.

Then reconsider your opinion.
 
At the federal level, as I & others told you on the other forum, it's perfectly legal to REPLACE a gun & ship direct to your home, with no FFL involved.

It's only a problem if some local entity (state, county, municipality, or whatever) prohibits it.

And Ruger has an FFL policy for replacements which is ONLY Ruger's POLICY, it is not a legal requirement.
They are not required by law or regulation to use an FFL on a replacement gun, they just choose to do so.
Denis
 
The key here gentlemen is the ownership has NOT changed. Yes, the serial number did but that's all. As pointed out, that is taken care of at Savage or whatever the company. The original gun will be destroyed, recorded and the new serial number will be replacing that one. It's not complicated. Smith and Wesson did this with the MP15 AR's not long after they came out. The lowers wouldn't take a standard P mag as advertised, the machining and alteration of the mag well was not cost effective so they had you send the gun in and they sent it back with a new lower and serial number. You will get a letter included usually, I did that states just that.
Relax, and if you can't, think about how sending it to an ffl would work. What's he gonna do, run you through the process again? For what end result? THAT would grease up the works nicely.
 
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