I just picked up a Savage 170 pump in 35 Rem.. I've never seen one of these and wonder if anyone else here has experience with this gun. I almost passed it up, thought it was a 410. I already reload for a pistol and a Marlin lever I have in 35 Rem. and thought it would make a good whitetail gun for still hunting like the lever gun. Any thoughts? Thank you.
Savage 170?
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Jack O'Conner
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The original Savage 170 was offered in 30-30 and retailed for $99.00. The rifle was built using mass production techniques to hit this price point but this rifle has a reputation for very good accuracy. The most common complaint is the forearm rattles a little but this does not affect function or safety at all. Collectors typically place a higher value on the 35 Remington model because they're much harder to find.
Good hunting to you.
Jack
Good hunting to you.
Jack
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Thanks for the information guys, I just started a little research myself because I've never come across one of these. Funny you say that Ludwig, when I started looking at it, I thought what a nice brush gun this would be with 2-3" off the barrel and a set of Ashley ghost ring sights. It's in great shape but doesn't seem to be a real valuable gun so maybe I will do these changes. Thanks, Tim.
Thanks for the information guys, I just started a little research myself because I've never come across one of these. Funny you say that Ludwig, when I started looking at it, I thought what a nice brush gun this would be with 2-3" off the barrel and a set of Ashley ghost ring sights. It's in great shape but doesn't seem to be a real valuable gun so maybe I will do these changes. Thanks, Tim.
bamaranger
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I've seen some in the past few years, (NONE in .35, ever) and every one is a wreck, usually missing parts and likely only good for parts. Were I to find a decent one, I'd likely buy it......and a carbine or .35....for sure.
A high school pal had the full length model in .30-30, shot it some myself, and it was OK. Trigger was squishy, the Rem 760 trigger was better, but many dollars more. No discernable difference in reliablility or accuracy in my limited experience. Seems like I recall that Savage adopted their Model 67 pump shotgun action, in a manner of speaking.
Because good 170's are a bit scarce, I don't think I'd cut one for a brush rifle.
I've seen some in the past few years, (NONE in .35, ever) and every one is a wreck, usually missing parts and likely only good for parts. Were I to find a decent one, I'd likely buy it......and a carbine or .35....for sure.
A high school pal had the full length model in .30-30, shot it some myself, and it was OK. Trigger was squishy, the Rem 760 trigger was better, but many dollars more. No discernable difference in reliablility or accuracy in my limited experience. Seems like I recall that Savage adopted their Model 67 pump shotgun action, in a manner of speaking.
Because good 170's are a bit scarce, I don't think I'd cut one for a brush rifle.
bamaranger
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thanks
I appreciate the heads up, I really do.....but I don't do online gun buys.
Interesting mod you describe....surprised the 170 action would hold up, but I don't know the pressure levels for .375 Win. Maybe it's not that high.
I appreciate the heads up, I really do.....but I don't do online gun buys.
Interesting mod you describe....surprised the 170 action would hold up, but I don't know the pressure levels for .375 Win. Maybe it's not that high.
Sure Shot Mc Gee
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A rifle built to give Remington's slick looking 760 some competition. 170 being lighter in weight or near the same weight as a Marlin 336 standard barrel lever gun had one thing going for it. Anyone seeking a light carry pump rifle for in close shooting the 170 filled the bill. Sold for 100.00 $$ new. 30-30 35-Rem and what ever else those 170 A & B models were chambered in were hard pressed to to take on the 308 & 06 the 760s was chambered with. As prior commented. 170s had horrible disappointing sloppy forearm rattle. Many sports minded fellows like me thought at the time after handling one the Savage 170 was simply a entry level cheap pump at best. Sure enough. 170s turned out to be another market place disappointment for Savage. They did not sell well and for many years had absolutely no collector value. Nice to see time has change the 170s collector/s status.
One advantage the Remington Model 760 had/has over the Savage Model 170 is the ability to safely carry pointed configured bullets in its removable box magazine (as opposed to the tubular magazine as found on the Savage); probably not a big deal for most shooters hunting in close, heavy cover where cartridges like the 30-30 Winchester and .35 Remington are popular.
bamaranger,
ImVho, the Remington Model 760 pump-rifle is SUPERIOR in every way to the Savage pump.
(I've owned both rifles over the last 4 decades & taken game with both.)
Fyi, my favorite "hog-killer" & "coyote exterminator" is a 760 in .300 Savage, with an old-school Swedish-made Aimpoint sight.
(The .300 Sav has little recoil, makes not a lot of noise & reloaded with a 185 grain GCCB it is a KILLER out to 100+ meters, which is much farther than you can see game in our South Texas thick brush.)
IF you "look about" at any decent size gun-show, you will see any number of "perfectly serviceable" Model 760 & 76 pump-guns in .270, .30-06 & (IF you really want the "kick" & ammo expense of a "big-bore") in .35 Whelen for prices (around San Antonio) of 250-350.oo.
Note: My "next project" is finding a Model 760 in .30-06 or .270 & have it rebored/rechambered to 9.3x62mm & to hunt South Africa with in the Fall of 2017.
(Should anyone reading this have a "serviceable" Model 760 with shot-out or pitted bore, I would be a buyer.)
just my opinions, satx
ImVho, the Remington Model 760 pump-rifle is SUPERIOR in every way to the Savage pump.
(I've owned both rifles over the last 4 decades & taken game with both.)
Fyi, my favorite "hog-killer" & "coyote exterminator" is a 760 in .300 Savage, with an old-school Swedish-made Aimpoint sight.
(The .300 Sav has little recoil, makes not a lot of noise & reloaded with a 185 grain GCCB it is a KILLER out to 100+ meters, which is much farther than you can see game in our South Texas thick brush.)
IF you "look about" at any decent size gun-show, you will see any number of "perfectly serviceable" Model 760 & 76 pump-guns in .270, .30-06 & (IF you really want the "kick" & ammo expense of a "big-bore") in .35 Whelen for prices (around San Antonio) of 250-350.oo.
Note: My "next project" is finding a Model 760 in .30-06 or .270 & have it rebored/rechambered to 9.3x62mm & to hunt South Africa with in the Fall of 2017.
(Should anyone reading this have a "serviceable" Model 760 with shot-out or pitted bore, I would be a buyer.)
just my opinions, satx
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agreed.
You are all mostly correct. Now that I've had some time to get familiar with this gun, I really don't much care for it. Like a 410 rebarreled to a rifle caliber, hard to load the smaller cartrages in the bottom. I have fired a Rem. 760 a couple times and my original plan was to pick one up some day in 30/06 and have it rebarreled with a 20" 35 Whelen, then put on a set of ghost ring sights. I can find 760 Remingtons all day here for 3-$400, but I've never seen a 35 Whelen for sale at any price and I think I know why. This Savage is in real good shape and kind of a scarce chambering. I bet I can get my money back @ the gun show going on this weekend and be able to purchase the 760 for the project. Another $300 and end up with a nice rig. Thanks for all your input, I think I'm on a great project now, Tim.
You are all mostly correct. Now that I've had some time to get familiar with this gun, I really don't much care for it. Like a 410 rebarreled to a rifle caliber, hard to load the smaller cartrages in the bottom. I have fired a Rem. 760 a couple times and my original plan was to pick one up some day in 30/06 and have it rebarreled with a 20" 35 Whelen, then put on a set of ghost ring sights. I can find 760 Remingtons all day here for 3-$400, but I've never seen a 35 Whelen for sale at any price and I think I know why. This Savage is in real good shape and kind of a scarce chambering. I bet I can get my money back @ the gun show going on this weekend and be able to purchase the 760 for the project. Another $300 and end up with a nice rig. Thanks for all your input, I think I'm on a great project now, Tim.
QUOTE: "...I can find 760 Remingtons all day here for 3-$400, but I've never seen a 35 Whelen for sale for at any price and I think I know why..."
Because not many were ever made? If you want a Model 760 (7600) chambered in .35 Whelen (a great configuration, I think), it would seem cheaper to find a factory chambered one rather than buying a used one and having it re-chambered/re-barreled. I guess it all depends on how much a Model 7600 from the factory chambered for the .35 Whelen goes for (or whether you can even find one in the first place
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Because not many were ever made? If you want a Model 760 (7600) chambered in .35 Whelen (a great configuration, I think), it would seem cheaper to find a factory chambered one rather than buying a used one and having it re-chambered/re-barreled. I guess it all depends on how much a Model 7600 from the factory chambered for the .35 Whelen goes for (or whether you can even find one in the first place
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remingtom made the 7600 pump in 35 whelen and they can be found. the 170,s were not very good rifles, they had two piece extractors that broke with any use at all and as another poster said, the 170,s were 410 shotgun frames barreled for a rifle. 410 pressures are 1/3 of what 3030-35 remington are. buy if you like,but long lasting rifles they are not. eastbank.
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saudst,
Unless he's sold it REALLY recently, I know a guy in New Braunfels that has a "mint" Model 7600 carbine in .35 Whelen for sale & he asked me 350.oo for it a month or so ago at a local gun-show.
If that's of interest to you, I'll see if he still has it for sale.
(He said that it was , "too loud & too much kick for me." Then he tried to buy my "pet" 760 in .300 Savage, that I was looking for an 1.25" leather sling for.)
yours, satx
Unless he's sold it REALLY recently, I know a guy in New Braunfels that has a "mint" Model 7600 carbine in .35 Whelen for sale & he asked me 350.oo for it a month or so ago at a local gun-show.
If that's of interest to you, I'll see if he still has it for sale.
(He said that it was , "too loud & too much kick for me." Then he tried to buy my "pet" 760 in .300 Savage, that I was looking for an 1.25" leather sling for.)
yours, satx
eastbank,
IF the .35 Whelen was lawful for dangerous game in Sub-Saharan Africa, I would have bought the .35 Whelen carbine.
The 9.3x62mm Mauser cartridge IS lawful in all African nations (that allow big game hunting - Some nations have outlawed "trophy hunting" by NON-residents.), I'm planning on having a long-action Model 760 re-bored to either 9.3x62mm or perhaps in .375 Whelen Improved or .400 Brown-Whelen Improved for a planned trip to south Africa in 2017.
(Rifle calibers larger than .370 caliber rifles are lawful everywhere that big game hunting is lawful, btw. The .375 Whelen & .400 B-W Improved wildcats are the biggest/most powerful cartridges that can be made from .30-06 cases, which I get free for the "picking up" at ranges.)
ImVho, the 300 grain Barnes .375 bullet OR the .400 grain .404 bullet at >2000FPS in a JSP or solid is A KILLER on any current animal worldwide.
just my opinion, satx
IF the .35 Whelen was lawful for dangerous game in Sub-Saharan Africa, I would have bought the .35 Whelen carbine.
The 9.3x62mm Mauser cartridge IS lawful in all African nations (that allow big game hunting - Some nations have outlawed "trophy hunting" by NON-residents.), I'm planning on having a long-action Model 760 re-bored to either 9.3x62mm or perhaps in .375 Whelen Improved or .400 Brown-Whelen Improved for a planned trip to south Africa in 2017.
(Rifle calibers larger than .370 caliber rifles are lawful everywhere that big game hunting is lawful, btw. The .375 Whelen & .400 B-W Improved wildcats are the biggest/most powerful cartridges that can be made from .30-06 cases, which I get free for the "picking up" at ranges.)
ImVho, the 300 grain Barnes .375 bullet OR the .400 grain .404 bullet at >2000FPS in a JSP or solid is A KILLER on any current animal worldwide.
just my opinion, satx
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Savage 170
I have one in 30-30 Win that I picked up many years ago for my teenage son,
he was 13 at the time, he's 19 now. It is accurate enough, coming in just under 2" @ 100, and 3"-4" @ 200. He hasn't had the opportunity to take game with it yet, but it is certainly up to the task. We haven't shot it too much, but we always bring it as a back-up.
I have one in 30-30 Win that I picked up many years ago for my teenage son,
he was 13 at the time, he's 19 now. It is accurate enough, coming in just under 2" @ 100, and 3"-4" @ 200. He hasn't had the opportunity to take game with it yet, but it is certainly up to the task. We haven't shot it too much, but we always bring it as a back-up.