Wreck-n-Crew
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Really I thought just by handling the (new to me) Sig Pro and working the trigger that it was pretty smooth. Not a 226 by any means but a good trigger and it had night sights (nice bonus). I hadn't had it to the range yet and I finally got a chance to go run some ammo through it and see just how it did. Some have had complaints about Sig pro models not being on par with a 226 for example and with good reason, it's not a 226. This particular 2009 has the Made in Switzerland frame (Makes it made in Germany right?) not that it matters that much. The difference I have found between it and the 2022 is just the basic changes made for the French when they ordered 250,000 of the Pro 2022 designs. If my reading is right the french were responsible for the 2022 and the demise of the 2009 series.
While there at the range (always see what they have) I spied a SAR B6P Made by Sarlsilmaz in Turkey. They are also based of the CZ design. Built on a polymer frame. SA/DA with a Safety. Great price on the gun @ $249 and I asked to see it. They have got good reviews and I wanted to see how it felt in the hand and check out the trigger. To be honest I was not expecting a good hand fit but it really fit well. I give it a 9+ for fit to my hand. The grips are a little slick but the fit made up for it. Recon a slip on Hogue would solve that.
When I tried the Double action it was a heavy DA and long. It has a funny Half cock that you can feel when pulling the longer heavy DA. Not impressed. Well at least it carry's cocked and locked so I tried the SA. Wow. Just blown away! This can't be stock! Shorter reset than the Sig and smooth like butter. Just could not believe it was so smooth. So what the heck at that price I grabbed it and went to the range. I thought this could get interesting....Man did it ever!
For range ammo I brought along some of my reloads. Coated 125gr 9mm SWC under 3.8 gr Red Dot using a Winchester primer. Granted they are known to be soft right? Anyhoot I had a few left over federal premium 115gr ball and picked up another 50 of federals while there. I would prefer to test with factory ammo as well and usually keep a partial box around.
I Loaded up both guns with Federal ammo and ran two mags each flawlessly . Not really concentrating on aim and just feeling the trigger and checking function. Th SA on the SAR was just impressive. I am now questioning it's stock trigger as having been to the gunsmith. Not real light (about 4.5-5.5 lbs) but so smooth it felt like a 2.5-3.0 lb. trigger. The take-up is short. Shorter than the Sig Pro (as well as the reset). The weight seems to barely change until it surprisingly breaks out of no where (the way it should be).
The Sig trigger is a good trigger. Little more slack and and increasing (noticeably) as it get closer to the break. Much more recognizable to begin with that the trigger is close to breaking.
I then loaded up 5 rounds for accuracy after getting a little time on the trigger (ran 150 of my reloads through each...more on that in a minute). The Sig was not that hard to adjust to other than the trigger and small weight difference it still points and grips like a 226 so the learning curve was not much.
The result from those two 5 round groups (5 each total 20 rounds) surprised me a little. Standing at 11 yards with the Sig. First group had one flyer and the second had a stray. for the most part the gun more accurate than my trigger work.
Then came the SAR B6P. The two groups are obvious and the better one was the second one. Same distance using same Federal ammo:
Some thought on the Slide purchase on the B6P. They are just like a witness or CZ. Not a tonne of purchase area. But the bore axis, trigger and accuracy overshadowed the Sig trial. Totally impressed. Don't see this little pistol as anything but a keeper.
The positives about the Sig was familiarity with the basics and location of the mag release, decocker and slide release. Different than the 226 in trigger and weight, Little more take-up in SA and not as clean or smooth. Still decent. Then there is the reset. No chance of improving it as far as I have read. On a 226 they have the SRT's.
Finally there is one more note worth mentioning. Over all size. The SAR is more concealable. Not as wide as the Sig. Other dimensions are about the same.
There is an old saying you get what you pay for. In both meanings of the word the the Sig pro is both cheaper than a 226 and yet worth what I have in it. It has the value for the dollar. Reliability and a decent trigger with good accuracy.
Then the saying "get what you pay for" doesn't add up when speaking of this particular SAR. You get more than what you pay for it. Despite the heavy DA trigger it does not hinder use and not necessary. Also the smaller purchase area on the slide is the only other negative I see. Oh wait the sights gave a better picture than the Sig. Yet they do stick up a little more than I would like.
Another footnote on the Sig pro 2009. My reloads would not run in it with any reliability what so ever. I loaded them with soft Winchester primers and even though I got good strikes the primers were not going off first strike. Second strike succeeded. After 5 failed to ignite on first strike I went back to the factory federals to give the gun a good test and it fired and fed perfectly. Is it any wonder my favorite primers are CCI?
While there at the range (always see what they have) I spied a SAR B6P Made by Sarlsilmaz in Turkey. They are also based of the CZ design. Built on a polymer frame. SA/DA with a Safety. Great price on the gun @ $249 and I asked to see it. They have got good reviews and I wanted to see how it felt in the hand and check out the trigger. To be honest I was not expecting a good hand fit but it really fit well. I give it a 9+ for fit to my hand. The grips are a little slick but the fit made up for it. Recon a slip on Hogue would solve that.
When I tried the Double action it was a heavy DA and long. It has a funny Half cock that you can feel when pulling the longer heavy DA. Not impressed. Well at least it carry's cocked and locked so I tried the SA. Wow. Just blown away! This can't be stock! Shorter reset than the Sig and smooth like butter. Just could not believe it was so smooth. So what the heck at that price I grabbed it and went to the range. I thought this could get interesting....Man did it ever!
For range ammo I brought along some of my reloads. Coated 125gr 9mm SWC under 3.8 gr Red Dot using a Winchester primer. Granted they are known to be soft right? Anyhoot I had a few left over federal premium 115gr ball and picked up another 50 of federals while there. I would prefer to test with factory ammo as well and usually keep a partial box around.
I Loaded up both guns with Federal ammo and ran two mags each flawlessly . Not really concentrating on aim and just feeling the trigger and checking function. Th SA on the SAR was just impressive. I am now questioning it's stock trigger as having been to the gunsmith. Not real light (about 4.5-5.5 lbs) but so smooth it felt like a 2.5-3.0 lb. trigger. The take-up is short. Shorter than the Sig Pro (as well as the reset). The weight seems to barely change until it surprisingly breaks out of no where (the way it should be).
The Sig trigger is a good trigger. Little more slack and and increasing (noticeably) as it get closer to the break. Much more recognizable to begin with that the trigger is close to breaking.
I then loaded up 5 rounds for accuracy after getting a little time on the trigger (ran 150 of my reloads through each...more on that in a minute). The Sig was not that hard to adjust to other than the trigger and small weight difference it still points and grips like a 226 so the learning curve was not much.
The result from those two 5 round groups (5 each total 20 rounds) surprised me a little. Standing at 11 yards with the Sig. First group had one flyer and the second had a stray. for the most part the gun more accurate than my trigger work.
Then came the SAR B6P. The two groups are obvious and the better one was the second one. Same distance using same Federal ammo:
Some thought on the Slide purchase on the B6P. They are just like a witness or CZ. Not a tonne of purchase area. But the bore axis, trigger and accuracy overshadowed the Sig trial. Totally impressed. Don't see this little pistol as anything but a keeper.
The positives about the Sig was familiarity with the basics and location of the mag release, decocker and slide release. Different than the 226 in trigger and weight, Little more take-up in SA and not as clean or smooth. Still decent. Then there is the reset. No chance of improving it as far as I have read. On a 226 they have the SRT's.
Finally there is one more note worth mentioning. Over all size. The SAR is more concealable. Not as wide as the Sig. Other dimensions are about the same.
There is an old saying you get what you pay for. In both meanings of the word the the Sig pro is both cheaper than a 226 and yet worth what I have in it. It has the value for the dollar. Reliability and a decent trigger with good accuracy.
Then the saying "get what you pay for" doesn't add up when speaking of this particular SAR. You get more than what you pay for it. Despite the heavy DA trigger it does not hinder use and not necessary. Also the smaller purchase area on the slide is the only other negative I see. Oh wait the sights gave a better picture than the Sig. Yet they do stick up a little more than I would like.
Another footnote on the Sig pro 2009. My reloads would not run in it with any reliability what so ever. I loaded them with soft Winchester primers and even though I got good strikes the primers were not going off first strike. Second strike succeeded. After 5 failed to ignite on first strike I went back to the factory federals to give the gun a good test and it fired and fed perfectly. Is it any wonder my favorite primers are CCI?
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