Saiga? Arsenal or Mercury-Hermes?

I'm not familiar with Mercury-Hermes, but I can, perhaps, shed some light on the difference between the standard Saiga and the Arsenal version.

The Saiga is a Russian-made AK variant. Unlike many other AK-variants, it is made and assembled entirely in Russia. In order to be importable under 925(d)(3), however, it must be set up in a sporting configuration which means it can't have certain "assault weapon" features like a pistol grip, flash suppressor, or bayonet lug. Hi-capacity magazines are a bit of a legal gray area, but standard Saigas come with 10-round mags will not function properly with standard AK magazines.

It is fairly common to do a "conversion" on a Saiga in which the "evil" features of an AK are added. In order to do so legally, however, a certain number of specific parts must be replaced with U.S. made ones so as to comply with 922(r).

The Arsenal is basically a Saiga that has already had the 922(r) conversion done. A standard Saiga can be converted by a home gunsmith to a "semi-AK" configuration fairly easily and inexpensively, but in order to add all the "real-AK" features (except full-auto capability of course) you probably wouldn't be saving that much over the Arsenal.

It really depends on what you want. I converted my Saiga .223 over to a fixed buttstock and pistol grip (which also requires replacement of the fire control group) for $80 worth of parts and my time. I did not bother to install a bullet guide (necessary to use real AK mags) because aftermarket Surefire Saiga mags are not that much more expensive than "real" .223 AK mags. If my gun was in 7.62x39 or 5.45x39, I would have done the bullet guide as well.
 
This mercury hermes thing is pure failboat.



You're boating along in your boat, and then Mercury Hermes comes along, and suddenly you're boat fails, and you now have a failboat due to mercury hermes.

Run from the mercury hermes monster before it makes your bones fail. there is no win here ,only fail. Fiat failure failboat hermes dermes failure. run for your life.
 
This mercury hermes thing is pure failboat.



You're boating along in your boat, and then Mercury Hermes comes along, and suddenly you're boat fails, and you now have a failboat due to mercury hermes.

Run from the mercury hermes monster before it makes your bones fail. there is no win here ,only fail. Fiat failure failboat hermes dermes failure. run for your life.

Whoa! I think perhaps you should switch to decaf:D
 
I just bought a Saiga 5.45 imported by Mercury Hermes...love it. The name on it that means the most to me is "Izmash".
 
I just bought a Saiga 5.45 imported by Mercury Hermes...love it. The name on it that means the most to me is "Izmash".

So, is Mercury Hermes simply an importer of sporter-configured Saigas like Russian American Armory and EAA before them, or are they doing conversions like Arsenal, Tromix, and Red Jacket?

If they're simply importing Saiga sporters and selling them as-is, then they are of little consequence as the rifles are all built and assembled by the same company (Izmash). If, however, they are doing conversions they they require further research as they're doing more than simply buying and re-selling a rifle with an already established quality reputation.
 
As far as I know, Mercury Hermes, Louisville KY is simply importer of the latest batch of Saigas. They are not doing conversions.
If you look at the picture, you see a patch at the rear of the reciever which looks like velcro. Apparently, a different importer name was there, and their stamp was obliterated with a laser-graver, while Mercury Hermes was stamped on the opposite side.
I am not sure why.
But, it is the same Izmash Saiga.
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One is already converted ,the other is in unconverted condition. It cost more for the 922 compliant with the evil features.:D
 
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