SAFETY WARNING FOR S&W AUTO'S !!!!!

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IZZY

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In the April 3rd edition of "TIME MAGAZINE" page 18 there is a safety warning on "Several...models".
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It seems that EVEN WITH THE MAGAZINE REMOVED THE PISTOL MAY FIRE IF "SLIGHT PRESSURE IS PUT ON THE TRIGGER DURRING REMOVAL (of the mag?), THE GUN CAN FIRE THAT ROUND" :eek
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if there is a round chambered of course..)

I do not subscribe to this Pinko clap-trap of a rag (Time inc) but read it from a copy a relative buys to keep in an office waiting room. Nevertheless REMEMBER rule # 1 " a gun is always loaded" (ie. it must be pionted in a safe direction and keep that itchy finger off the rubbing post -trigger).

According to "Time" it was discovered by a former Alexandria, Ohio police sargent while training...he contacted the compony and others...when "Smith and Wesson" gave him about thirty thousand dollars he stopped flapping his gums!

James Gannalo a "Balistics Expert" tested "several Smith and Wesson models for Time". This "expert" found the problems that were indicated by the former policeman.

O.K. boys there you have it...make of it what you want. You already know not to rely on any "safety", right? Mag safeties and Smith are the pits anyhow....just another reason not to buy them!
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Peace (and keep that damn S&W pointed away from me!) IZZY
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It seems that EVEN WITH THE MAGAZINE REMOVED THE PISTOL MAY FIRE IF "SLIGHT PRESSURE IS PUT ON THE TRIGGER DURRING REMOVAL (of the mag?), THE GUN CAN FIRE THAT ROUND" :eek if there is a round chambered of course..)

Egads a gun that will fire with a round in the chamber? Actually this is the case if the mag safety is non-functional or if the magazine is only partially removed and thus the safety not fully activated. Nothing new here. About ten years ago a friend of mine stupidly put a Browning HP to his head claiming it wouldn't fire because it didn't have a mag. May he rest in peace.

I hope SW is sued over this and put out of its misery. It would be a fitting end for a lying bunch of curs that trusted politicians instead of citizens.


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So many pistols, so little money.
 
That the point amigo... the article says these guns have a Mag Safety! So the Magazine saftey is DEFECTIVE!

Yes, I would say it is worhty of the attention that ALAR gave Apples and Cynide gave to Chillian Grapes ( oh what panic that was)...but this freinds is WORSE...this has an Immidiate Deadly Possability...Spread the Word to All your shooting buddies...the Anti-gunners, the alley cats...

My suggestion to smith is to REMOVE THEIR DEFECTIVE PRIDUCTS FROM OUR SHELVES IMMIDIATELY!! If a compony says that their gun is safe when it is not...and they know it well that's A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE!!!
(quick call the CDC!!)

Be Careful and stay away from UNSAFE SMITH AND WESSON!!!

Peace
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IZZY
 
I noticed the same thing on my old S&W 669 years ago BIG DEAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Basicaly what happends is you took up all the slack in the action and it is prepared to fire a round (remember your finger is on the trigger to have this "defect" present it self and if your finger is on the trigger your prepared to fire the weapon, right??). Therefore negating the need for the "safty" to kick in.

Personaly, I find this to be advantage during a tactical reload where I can fire a chambered round without the mag if absolutly nessasary. Also as a safty device if I can drop the mag just before I lose control (as in a wresling match with a BG) of my weapon chances are my finger will at some point leave the trigger and activate the safety, no problem right? Sheesh!!!!!!

Since I will NEVER own another S&W and curently only own one S&W. I'm not defending them just the design.

Chris
 
Solution: Follow the common sense safety rule that states: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF OF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOU ARE PREPARED TO FIRE.

Here with this Smith & Wesson pistol, the officer was convinced that the magazine safety was a fail safe against AD. Imagine what kind of accidents will occur when (and IF) people buy "smart guns". I can see people having AD's left and right because the gun is sooo safe they'll become lax in following the fundamental rules of gun safety.

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The first step is registration, the second step is confiscation, the final step is subjugation.
 
Sounds to me like we should put a ban on triggers. If the gun doesn't have a trigger, then it won't fire accidentally when you remove the mag.
Anyone with me, huh, anyone.....

Do I hear crickets in the background?
 
I caught the tongue in cheek tone.
However, this is for the one person who reads this thread and doesn't.


I'm with Chris D.
All the guy did was bypass the safety before he removed the mag.


Hey, if I take a S&W auto with a chambered round and no mag. Then reach into the mag well with a screw driver and deactivate the mag safety, I can make the gun shoot as well. Is that a defective design? I don't think so. And neither should you.



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Regards, Sharps.
 
I thought that they've always done this. That mag safety (barf) is removable too.

[This message has been edited by 6forsure (edited April 01, 2000).]
 
Smart guns aren't the answer for dumb people. If we keep making these things safer, we just keep dumbing down the gene pool. Maybe Darwin was right... :)
 
OK OK ...Look amigo's I just saw a nice little article in a "liberal" rag ("Time")....I have never owned a S&W Auto nor any gun with that "Mag Safety"...

There are a few things to learn from this...

1. "Time" is not a good source of info. for gun safety tips.. :rolleyes: (I guess I should have known it was Semi-Bogus)

2. Smith and wesson must be desprate to give 30,000 to shut up this "Leak" :confused:
(like the settlement was not enugh)

3. The Anti-gunners might abandon S7W as the "Anti-Tobacco" crowd did on "Brown and Williamson"...promising immunity but collecting from them in the future under some unforseen legal pretense?

4. AS I STATED IN MY FIRST POST...remember rule #1 Always treat a gun as LOADED...

P.S. for those individuals who responded with more info. on the matter, thank you...some of Ya'll could use a lesson in manners however :mad:...I was only passing on what I had seen for peer reveiw...


IZZY
 
If I didn't put smiley faces on my post and it seemed like I was being rude, please excuse me. It's just that the mere mention of SW is enough to cloud my judgement. ;(

Now the rats at SW are trying to get the Feds to sue other companies for a non-existant "conspiracy" against them. Argh! When will it end?

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So many pistols, so little money.
 
What (the rag) Time described is known as setting the trigger on a S&W pistol. Many LE has known it for years and S&W will tell you about it themselves (in the armorer's school). Gee, now I'm pissed and want my $30k too. Understandably, S&W doesn't want folks to make this a regular practice.

The real value in setting the trigger is that if you have to change magazines, you're pistol isn't disabled for one shot. However, this practice is dubious since we're taught to keep the finger off the trigger until ready to fire. The startle effect results in contraction of the muscles (and in the hand, about 90% of the muscles serve to contract and the rest to expand) and if the finger is on the trigger, Opps.

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It sounds to me like the antis have turned on their new ally. Gee, who would have thunk it?
Oh well, S&W chose which bed to sleep in, so let them roast. By the way, for all you TFL'ers in the Phoenix metro area, Mandall's Shooting Supply Inc. in Scottsdale has decided to DROP Smith & Wesson. While Arizona Sportsman has chosen to almost sell S&W exclusively. Choose wisely Grasshopper.

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BOYCOTT SMITH AND WESSON!!!!!
The only justice for a traitor is at the end of a rope!!!!
Off my meds (quit smoking), armed to the teeth, and loose on an unsuspecting society!!!
 
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