I had an experince with a hollow point, we wont get into it, and when I was replaying things in my head I remembered reading an article about defensive carry guns and the author carried .38 s&w glasser saftey rounds in his 642 j frame. He went over several carry guns he had and his .38 was the only one he carried glassers in. He had 3 autos, 1911, hi power and a ppk all of which he carried various HP. My main concern is collateral damage. He never explained why he did or didnt use glassers in the autos. Any experince of use or knowledge of performance, feeding, or lack their of would be appreciated. Thanks to everyone.
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safety ammo?
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orionengnr
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There is no such thing as "safety" ammo.
Read up on Glaser/MagSafe/other marketing gimmicks.
Then do some research on what ammo is used by people who actually have to use deadly force. Nobody with any gravitas at all uses a frangible bullet.
Read up on Glaser/MagSafe/other marketing gimmicks.
Then do some research on what ammo is used by people who actually have to use deadly force. Nobody with any gravitas at all uses a frangible bullet.
OK, safer ammo?
Safer for who, exactly?
I would never trust glasser. You need to stop the attacker NOW. Not hurt them and maybe they die of blood loss a few minutes from now. A crazy person does not stop because they are hurt. A crazy person stops when they are unable to move. As for "safer" ammo, I would think Hornady Critical Defense would be slighter safer compared to other ammo. The flex tip plug thing will cause it to expand when hitting anything, not just a perfect shot into exposed flesh. Thus it will lose much more energy passing through a wall compared to other hollow points which will immediately clog and become FMJ's.
Kreyzhorse
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OK, safer ammo?
There is no "safer" ammo. Use a good HP ammo and be aware of your target and what is beyond before firing.
Frangible or "exotic" rounds...
Glaser Safety Slugs or other brands(TAP, Magsafe, ExtremeShock USA, etc) have mixed results with most US gun owners & armed professionals(sworn LE, PIs, security, etc).
For details about the better designs see; www.shopcorbon.com or www.magsafeonline.com .
In short, the smaller caliber handgun loads or "frangibles" offer low recoil & high KE levels but are not great for all defense/LE uses.
Many complain about the poor quality or factory made rounds too. Exotic handgun rounds are not cheap either & can strain your wallet if you want to shoot 100s of rounds.
Standard or +P level factory JHPs are far better IMO.
Glaser Safety Slugs or other brands(TAP, Magsafe, ExtremeShock USA, etc) have mixed results with most US gun owners & armed professionals(sworn LE, PIs, security, etc).
For details about the better designs see; www.shopcorbon.com or www.magsafeonline.com .
In short, the smaller caliber handgun loads or "frangibles" offer low recoil & high KE levels but are not great for all defense/LE uses.
Many complain about the poor quality or factory made rounds too. Exotic handgun rounds are not cheap either & can strain your wallet if you want to shoot 100s of rounds.
Standard or +P level factory JHPs are far better IMO.
I don't recommend frangible ammunition like Glaser, Magsafe, Extreme Shock or others for several reasons. Take a look at the following test:
http://www.brassfetcher.com/Brassfetcher_evaluates_9mm_Glaser_Safety_Slug.pdf
As has already been mentioned, the penetration against a "soft" target with frangible ammo is pretty lackluster and won't normally be anywhere near the 12" minimum recommended by the FBI. The reason that the FBI recommends this is to ensure that the bullet will have sufficient penetration to reach the vital organs of the aggressor should circumstances require that the shot be taken at an oblique angle or through an extremity.
As the above test demonstrates, frangibles like Glaser are also no "safer" with regards to overpenetration through interior walls. In fact, shooting through sheetrock actually seems to increase penetration rather than decrease it. As such, Glasers require you to make several compromises without appreciably less risk to family members in adjacent rooms.
The final strike against frangibles, IMHO, is their cost. Just a quick glance at Midway reveals that 9mm Glasers cost $10.49 for a package of six cartridges which breaks down to roughly $1.75 per round. I personally don't feel particularly comfortable carrying any loading for self defense until I've shot at least 50-100 rounds of it through my gun in order to ensure reliability and point-of-impact. Because they use very light-for-caliber bullets, Glasers are more likely to shoot to a different point of impact than more common loadings making this practice even more crucial. Their cost, however, would make shooting a large amount of them prohibitively expensive for most people. In comparison, I can get premium 9mm JHP ammo like Speer Gold Dot, Winchester Ranger, and Federal HST from sources like SG Ammo and Ammunition to Go for $20-29 for a box of 50 rounds depending on the particular loading and where I get it from which breaks down to approximately $0.40-0.58 per round. Now that's still not cheap by any stretch of the imagination, but it's still approximately 1/3 of what Glasers cost.
http://www.brassfetcher.com/Brassfetcher_evaluates_9mm_Glaser_Safety_Slug.pdf
As has already been mentioned, the penetration against a "soft" target with frangible ammo is pretty lackluster and won't normally be anywhere near the 12" minimum recommended by the FBI. The reason that the FBI recommends this is to ensure that the bullet will have sufficient penetration to reach the vital organs of the aggressor should circumstances require that the shot be taken at an oblique angle or through an extremity.
As the above test demonstrates, frangibles like Glaser are also no "safer" with regards to overpenetration through interior walls. In fact, shooting through sheetrock actually seems to increase penetration rather than decrease it. As such, Glasers require you to make several compromises without appreciably less risk to family members in adjacent rooms.
The final strike against frangibles, IMHO, is their cost. Just a quick glance at Midway reveals that 9mm Glasers cost $10.49 for a package of six cartridges which breaks down to roughly $1.75 per round. I personally don't feel particularly comfortable carrying any loading for self defense until I've shot at least 50-100 rounds of it through my gun in order to ensure reliability and point-of-impact. Because they use very light-for-caliber bullets, Glasers are more likely to shoot to a different point of impact than more common loadings making this practice even more crucial. Their cost, however, would make shooting a large amount of them prohibitively expensive for most people. In comparison, I can get premium 9mm JHP ammo like Speer Gold Dot, Winchester Ranger, and Federal HST from sources like SG Ammo and Ammunition to Go for $20-29 for a box of 50 rounds depending on the particular loading and where I get it from which breaks down to approximately $0.40-0.58 per round. Now that's still not cheap by any stretch of the imagination, but it's still approximately 1/3 of what Glasers cost.