Safe Frequency For Shooting Indoors?

Mr.RevolverGuy

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Gentlemen,

Due to an incident I was wondering what would you all consider a safe amount of time to spend shooting at a indoor range?

So a friend of mine that I shoot with often at the same indoor range called me today with a range of emotions (depressed, mad, skeptical) etc etc due to the fact he got his blood results back and he had high lead levels. The Doctor said 1-19 were the acceptable levels and he is like at 22. He called to alert me to get tested because we usually shoot at the same indoor range. I am a little worried but I will wait to see what the blood results come back with. Neither of us smoke and he even takes more of a precaution than I do, in the fact that he usually brings along what he calls his shooting overalls and changes into them before shooting then takes them off and puts them in a garbage bag when leaving. I never change my clothing until I get home then I will shower after cleaning my guns and wash my clothing separate from anything else. We both never leave the range without washing our hands and face, we both even carry soap in our range bags just in case the range doesn't have any. We both where nitryle gloves when cleaning our weapons as well.

Neither of us do any casting of our own bullets, but we both reload and for the past 2 years we have only shot berry's or Rainier plated bullets. My reloading is done in an open garage during the summer and a heated garage during the winter, my buddy has his setup is in his basement.

The range we visit had NRA help in constructing it and supposedly has adequate ventilation. I can tell you they have a vent behind each shooting station that sucks in air from the outside and blows your smoke down range away from you. Then the air gets sucked out at the end of the range and filtered before going back to the open air outside. We have actually showed up at the range a couple of times and it was shutdown for routine maintenance where they had some ventilation folks changing the filters. Now I do not know if they were just blowing smoke (mo pun intended) but they say it is done every 6 months and it is painful because it cost about $4500.00 to change the filters out and have the system cleaned. I just figured well at least we know it is being done which gave me some piece of mind.

As I stated previously before I worry to much I will let my blood test results come back.

The reason I ask this question is because the Doctor told him no matter what sort of ventilation is being used, spending that much time on an indoor range was not good. He told the doctor depending on the month we could spend from 1 to 4 hours a month at the range. He said the doctor got very excited and said that was way to much. The doctor said look if you have to shoot do it at an outdoor range stay away from the indoor. This sucks because it is like 14 degree's here today. Basically we spend about an hour on the weekends at the range, I would say an average per year we visit the range about twice a month.
 
yeah, pretty much every indoor range i've been to don't turn on their air filtering equipment in order to save on electricity.

just like bars and pubs rarely run the ventilation equipment for cigarette smoke that they're required by law to have.

apparently the law doesn't care wether these businesses actually utilize the equipment, or maybe local cities just can't afford inspectors to keep these jerks in check. :mad: (you would figure though, levying a fine on violators would be a nice source of extra income for these cities, but who ever said the government operates intelligently?)

i've never checked my lead levels before, as i just assumed they would be high because i shoot a lot at indoor ranges.

don't worry about your lead levels. if it's high, it'll go back down, my friend :)
 
Get your blood checked for lead, but 1 to 4 hours a month at a ventilated range should not be an issue. Your friend might have some other lead source contaminating him.
 
I have been getting my blood level checked for lead every year for the last three years.
I shoot at an indoor range once per week, and reload all my own ammo.
My blood lead level has yet to exceed 4 ppm.

There is either a serious discrepancy between our doctor's testing (or the accuracy of those tests), our range's ventilation, our personal habits (hand washing after loading/shooting, etc) or there is some other x-factor involved.
 
When I was teaching I spent 4 hours a day 2 days a week in an indoor range for 4 years and while we had the air set up and I used it when I had active shooters on the line it was really inadequate. I never tested high. Unless there are other issues at that range he has to be getting his lead from something else. work environment, old plumbing, local water supply? There are a lot of possibilities.

I say this admitting I don't know how busy your range is where you shoot or how clean they keep it. I swept and wet down my range floor regularly and mined the traps to keep the lead level low in it because half the ammunition shot there was bare lead.
 
don't worry about your lead levels. if it's high, it'll go back down, my friend

You might want to read this:

http://www.utexas.edu/safety/ehs/msds/lead.html

[QUOTE]However, lead is stored in the bones, liver, kidneys, and other internal organs, and is only slowly surrendered back to the blood. This means that the blood level can remain elevated for quite some time, and can vary considerably from day to day. It is the blood level, not the level stored in the tissues, that results in lead poisoning. [/QUOTE]
 
I know of one fellow who died from lead poisoning and others who have become seriously ill. The fellow who passed away had been casting lead bullets in his basement for many years. The indoor range at our club was closed because of this. Lead poisoning is certainly no laughing matter. One of the most frequent causes of lead poisoning occurs when you use a tumbler. Tumbling fired cases indoors frees up a lot of toxic material which then becomes airborne and is inhaled. Emptying the tumbler is when most of the toxic residue is released. When I empty my tumbler I always do it outdoors. I also wear vinyl or nitrile gloves when doing reloading or cleaning my firearms.
 
Thousands of people die of lead poisoning every year and hopfully most deserve it! Although some may be accidental and others self inflicted.:D

But, really those numbers do go down. Years back I worked at an indoor range and tried to keep the ventilation system running at all tmes but every now and again I forgot to turn it on and well, I'm still arround.
I was tested every 6-8 months and never went beyond 8-9 ppm.
I think your buddy may be licking his fingers while shooting or reloading or not washing properly afterwards. I used to wash my hands with plenty of soap and COLD water religiously, when I worked at the range and even now when I shoot or reload.

Best of luck!:)
 
Hopefully this isnt to far off topic.

I had a friend who cast his own bullets. He took every precaution, wearing a mask, and full suit with gloves. What he didn't think of was he was tracking it back into his house on his shoes, where his toddlers were crawling. They had some serious health issues over it. DHS even got involved for neglect. Just something to think about.

:(
 
Indoor ranges are not the problem, it is indoor ranges with inadequate ventilation that are the problem.

It gets very expensive to throw away heated air in the winter.
 
Just in case it can be any help to you or anyone else reading, if you haven't checked the Radon levels in your basement it might be a good idea. Radon can break down into lead and be inhaled (or in the other order, I don't know). It's a gas/element that can leak in through the walls of the basement.

I only heard about Radon because it was recently found to be high in my dad's basement. He bought a home test kit that should be available at Home Depot I believe. With this kit you just open up the unit in the basement and let it sit for a number of days. Send it off the to company and they'll tell you what the levels are. Acceptable limit is around 4 (units :confused:) and his was 9. Sometimes the first floor can have about half the level the basement has - still wasn't acceptable. Don't know how many years it's been that way. The solution was to install a pipe/vent that went from below the foundation all the way out the roof with a fan always on. Around 1000 bucks. Or you could just get the pipe from the basement up without drilling through the foundation.

Sorry that was long-winded. Come to think of it I don't even know if Radon breaking down into lead is able to contribute to a high blood level of lead or if it would just stay in the lungs. Just trying to brain storm here and felt like I had to mention it.

Best wishes
 
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