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Well, I'm sure that they won't notice, but S&W has lost out selling me that new "Custom Shop" 686+. Order CX!!!!

I don't mind S&W wanting to try & stop the legal problems from the goverment. The Goverment is 100% wrong, but none the less very expensive to fight. When we allow the country to be ran by Lawers, what can you expect.

The problem is with the way S&W tried to get protection, their statements & agreement basicly sold all Americans who own or wish to own a handgun down the river. Just can't see supporting someone who climbs in bed with the enemy to save their own butt a few bucks.
 
I think that it was more than just "saving their butt a few bucks". It just doesn't make sense why the larget America-based firearms makers would enter into this type of agreement unless something went on behind the scenes that we don't know about (such as an order from their parent company, which is a British firm, to sign the deal or "we bring in new management who will sign it and you will be out of a job and the deal will be signed anyway"). After all, they sell 25% of their guns to the government at a very low mark up and 75% went to the public at a much higher mark up. To lose that fatter 75% just doesn't make business sense unless something else happened that we don't know about.

Besides, I don't think a boycott is really needed. I buy guns which I like and don't buy what I don't like. After reading the agreement in detail, I don't see myself liking any of their new, safer firearms anyway so they can forget about getting any business from me. I have all the pistols from them at I need.

Share what you know, learn what you don't -- FUD
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Smith & Wesson & clinton really was a bad deal for S&W .

Smith & Wesson made the deal with the gun grabbers for protection from lawsuits and then Philadelphia decieds to sue Smith & Wesson after the deal with the devil was struck;
so just where, do you mind telling me , is the protection from lawsuits that S&W was susposed to get from selling our gun rights into slavery to Bill Clinton and Al Gore?


When S&W found out that Smith's existing distributor and dealer network would have nothing to do with the draconian rules involved in selling S&W , Smith tried to change the deal so that the draconian rules would only apply to just S&W brand guns and not to all the guns and mags of whatever make that a S&W agreement dealer sells.

The Smith deal authorizes an oversight comittee to control all Smith design & production of firearms and to also control all Smith distributors and Smith gun dealers.
The oversight committee consists of 5 officials 1. Smith guy 2. BATF guy 3. Hand Gun Control guy 4. Comittee for the Prevention of Gun Violence guy 5. anti civil gun rights government guy

What gun shop owner in their lucid mind would want 4 anti gun right guys controling the running and business decisions of their gun shop?

On the other side of the deal Bill Clinton and AL Gore insist that the draconian rules apply to all firearms and magazines that any dealer selling S&W products also sells.

Bill Clinton and Al Gore are now threatening to sue S&W if Smith tries to rewrite the deal so that it applies only to Smith products.

Back on Smith's side, Smith can sue Clinton & Gore for breach of contract in failing to provide the promised protection from law suits and also failing to provide the promised firearm sales to local and state police dept.

Clinton & Gore are again in trouble because they are not legally or lawfully allowed to dictate to state and local police that they should buy Smith & Wesson; especially when Many police depts have existing contracts with Glock and Sig.

Then Smith alienates its loyal customer base and gun shops and too add insult to injury
has most of the Smith line banned from sale in Mass. by the AG

About the only handguns that can be sold in Mass. now are USED pre 1998 models.

No new guns, as currently made, can safely meet all the consumer protection criteria of the Mass Atourny General.

Mass has inplimented a virtual handgun ban ,
not through lawfull legislation in the state senate and house of reps but rather through back door gun control.

What is most ironic here is that S&W was responsible for appealing the lawsuit against the Mass. AG and when S&W did not bother to file the appeal on the last day, the State
of Mass got back door (Consumer Safety Gun
Control).

On a final note...... About two weeks ago
BATF got a bunch of new field agents and money from Clinton & Gore and was given marching orders from C&Gore to require that
selected gun shops send in lists of all firearms sold since Jan 1997 to BATF and then send in lists of all firearms subsequently sold each month thereafter for the rest of all time.

The above constitutes the " A Letter "
for the 3 year list and monthly list thereafter which was sent to 40 so called
" high crime" gun shops throughout the USA.

"High crime" refers to BATF ASSUMING that
a "significent" number (whatever that means) of guns sold by these
gun shops eventually (emphasis added) ended up in criminal hands.

The "B Letter" was sent to 400 gun shops through out the USA , wherein BATF ASSUMED
that a less significant number of guns eventually ended up in criminal hands.

The "B letter" requires that a report of all the firearms sold in the last year and subsiequent quarterly reports of all guns sold.

THE REPORT OF FIREARMS SOLD consists of the name & address, SS#,and State Pistol Permit #
state Drivers lic #, phone #and State Hunting lic # of the purchaser along with the make & model & serial # of the firearms purchased.

A federal judge in Maryland just ruled that
it is illegal for BATF to request this information as it violates both the Gun Control Act of 1968 and the Firearms Protection Act of 1986 as well as the right
to privacy of the firearms owners in question.

The problem is that the Federal Judge is ruling only for the State of Maryland and not for other states.
 
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