S&W Internal Lock & CCW

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Gary H

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My gun-neophite father was going to go with a Kahr K9 for CCW, but he noted that his fellow course members had semi-auto jamming and magazine problems. So, he wants to stay with a revolver.

He is looking for a five shot model 60 and is considering the new 2 1/8" Lady Smith for CCW. I told him that we could get a bit better trigger with a hammer mounted striker, but I wasn't sure if the new internal "safety" lock was a minus. The guns have gone up in price, so that is one downside. A person who is dumb enough to engage the lock when not needed might forget to release it, but does it make the gun less reliable, or does it change the trigger pull, or operation of the gun in any way?

I have always purchased older S&W's, but I don't live close enough to help him find a gun. I sent him the link to Jim's great guide, but he lacks the confidence needed to select a used gun. I don't know enough about the model 60 to help him with the best of the bunch. Anyway, interested in your opinion regarding the new mod. 60.
 
There's one on my 625. When I looked it over it is simply a block of the hammer. When it's off it has no effect on the trigger pull.
 
Gary H: I've exchanged e-mails with the fellow who designed the locking system (he's no longer at S&W). When the system is unlocked, the locking pieces do not touch any of the moving pieces of the action, nor do any of the locking pieces move. So no, it does not in any way affect the trigger pull. In terms of reliability, the locking pieces only move when you turn the key. So there's no effective wear on the locking pieces. The locking pieces do not contact the action when unlocked, so the locking pieces do not cause wear on the action. I have a hard time believing the lock would make the gun less reliable.

I've got similar locks on my HK USPcs. I unlocked them, tossed the "key" back in the box, and put the guns in my safe. I don't have much use for the locks, but I don't think they are as bad as some of the folks around here seem to think...

M1911
 
My question arises from my reading of previous posts deriding S&W for installing the locks. I now realize this was more of a criticism of their attempt at political correctness. On the other hand, maybe someone out there doesn't have a gun safe and has kids.

So, only major downside of new mod. 60 is the frame mounted striker. Is there an argument to be made that these are more reliable, less prone to misfires, than the hammer mounted striker? There must be a reason why S&W spent the money to retool.
 
The frame-mounted firing pin is a reduction in machine work and fitting. The K frame .22s have always had this system, and it is at least as reliable over the long term as the hammer-mounted pin. It would be interesting to know how many hammer-mounted pins have needed replacement vs. the frame-mounted, considering the volume of centerfire vs. rimfire involved.
 
Gary H,

As stated above the lock is a non issue except in the political arena. Like all other such locks--high tech electronic or low tech mechanical--I count it as useless in comparison to a simple lockup or safe as any 10 year old with a screw driver can defeat it.
 
When buying a new one.....he should still have a print jof Jim March's checkout and go through the gun item by item.

The lock seems to be inert re trigger function and pull.

The hammer mounted firing pin on a centerfire defensive gun is a slight detriment. There are a few things that can keep the pin from retracting after a shot, locking up the cylinder and precluding additional shots.

Dirt in firing pin channel, broken retraction spring, pierced primer etc.

Sam
 
C.R.Sam:

I've been waiting for you to reply. It seems that you are the last word with respect to revolvers.
 
CR:

Well, in the few minutes since your last post, my father has purchased a new S&W Lady Smith. Thanks for all your help. If he can't hit anything..it's all your fault:D

Thanks everyone for your help!!!
 
I have a Model 60 Lady Smith

The lock is a non issue, unless politically motivated. I leave it off.

My Ladysmith is awesome. The trigger is great, it is very accurate and feels just right in my hands. I think your dad will be very happy.

Chris
 
Curiosity question: can the locks be removed?
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It is my understanding that the parts can be removed. You can't remove the hole in the frame, but the parts themselves can be removed. I would suggest against opening up the revolver unless you have Jerry K.'s book and some experience with S&W revolvers.
 
M1911 - Now you tell me! I have spent the last 2 days trying to remove the hole in the frame on my 629. I removed the metal around it but a new larger hole appeared. Guess I can go to sleep now.
 
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