S&W 686 | Ruger GP 100 | S&W 60 | Ruger SP101 - on the range comparison

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I know these 4 model are probably most popular contemporary revolvers. A lot of newbies (like me) are interested in them, but can not try them all. I am a shooter with some (fair?) experience, I am new to revolvers though. So, hopefully my notes can help those who can not get their hands on these guns. Also I hope more experienced revolver crowd will reply with some suggestions or thoughts on the subject.

I finally made it to the range that had all 4 models listed above which I could try. I also talked them into selling me 3 boxes of 38 Spl ammo (normally they do not sell more than 2 due to shortage). I took each gun to the range and fired 3 full cylinders SA and 3 full cylinders DA each. I used different targets for each gun and wrote notes right on the targets to make sure I will not forget anything.

1. S&W 686 - they had only 6" model which looked pretty intimidating due to the size of the barrel. However it felt fine during shooting. I shot 4" models before and I can not say that 6" felt much different. Very good accuracy from about 20 yards. 90% in the back with a few bulls eye hits. SA and DA accuracy was almost the same. In general this size feels a little big to me, but it is comfortable gun to shoot.

2. Ruger GP 100 - 4" barrel. I did not find this gun much different from 686. To my surprise trigger and hammer felt even more smooth than 686. I saw a lot of posts about Ruger not having as smooth trigger. Not this one! And I loved the white outline on the rear sights. Very easy to aim. For some reason first few rounds all went in white. I think I was still thinking about action more than about the aim. The rest of rounds went mostly in black. Accuracy is about the same as with 686.

3. Ruger SP101 - 3" barrel. I liked the size of this gun! I am not a big guy and previous two guns felt a little big, although comfortable. This size felt great... until I started shooting. For some reason the hammer on this gun felt very tight (hard to pull) in SA almost to the point that my finger got tired after about 15 rounds. DA shooting was fine though. I did not like the grips (not sculptured for fingers and kind of small) and this gun had a fixed rear sight which I did not care for either. It seems to be easier to aim with adjustable sights. Or may be it's just a matter of getting use to. Accuracy was ok, but not as good as with the guns above.

4. S&W 60-15 - 3" barrel. When I first put this gun in my hand I loved it. It had sculptured grips, smaller than on 686, but almost as comfortable. It also had an adjustable sights. The hammer was a little tight. Not as bad as on SP101, but harder to pull than on bot 686 and GP100 for some reason. In general I liked this gun, but for some reason the accuracy was terrible. More than have of my shots went into white and I suspect a few did not even hit the target. Perhaps I was a little tired by then, but still this was unusual for me to be "that bad".

Conclusion. All 4 guns felt ok in general. I assume that less-then-stellar accuracy of S&W 60 is due to my tiredness and perhaps badly adjusted sights. Both smaller frame revolvers had a tighter (harder to pull) hammer which I didn't like as much as the hummer on the larger ones. And smaller revolvers only had 5 shots vs. 6 shots in larger ones. Since I am looking for the gun mostly to shoot targets and not carry I think I am leaning toward the larger ones. I can't tell if I like S&W or Ruger better at this point.

I have to go to the range I visited before. They have S&W 66, which is K frame. I think I may like it the best. It has grips like 686 which I liked a lot, adjustable sights and from what I understand it's a little smaller and lighter than 686, yet larger than 60. This may be the best combination. But any thoughts or suggestions from more experiences members are welcomed, as I already stated above. Thanks.
 
Our family has a 686 and a Ruger GP100. Both are superb revolvers; I would be hard-pressed to say which one is the better gun. Both have great triggers. The Ruger's double-action trigger is smooth and long, while the S&W is shorter and snappier. I actually get better groups with the Ruger but I practice more with it too. To be fair, while the Ruger's single action trigger is very good, the S&W's is sensational.

One advantage that the GP100 has is that you can very easily, with no Gunsmithing, swap out front sights. This is a user-doable task on the GP100 so if you do not like the blade sight you can try Fiber Optic or other types of front sights. I have done this and it has worked out well.

For a range and home defense gun I would take the GP100 or 686 over the other ones that the OP is considering.
 
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For all around guns, the GP100 and 686 are pretty much ideal unless you prefer or find a good K-frame model or a Ruger Security Six.

If you have the extra money, you might consider the Smith 686 Stock Service Revolver, known as the 686SSR. Check out the Smith & Wesson home site or the reviews on this gun. And you might also consider the Ruger GP100 with 3-inch barrel, fixed sights.
 
I am leaning toward the larger ones. I can't tell if I like S&W or Ruger better at this point.

If you like them equally, there is one factor that might help make your mind up: one of them is a lot cheaper than the other. ;)
 
The primary difference that I have found is that on the SP101 Ruger uses conventional rifling. S&W uses ECM rifling, which is not as good for shooting pure lead if you reload.
 
Before you make a decision, try to shoot a S&W model 19 4 inch or a Ruger Security Six 4 inch. Both too me are better handling and point better than the larger frame revolvers. And the double action trigger on a model 19 is one of the best out of the box. Most S&W K frame revolvers have the better trigger.
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I just saw an add from a guy in my area about Model 19-3 for sale in almost unused condition. It looks new and he says he put less than 100 rounds through it. Box and all papers included. But he wants $700 and I am not sure if this is such a good deal, as I can get new 686 for just a hundred bucks more... Any thoughts? Thanks.
 
I've got a LOT of thoughts. First, a 19-3 is a terrific gun. Long time/hardcore S&W guys will tell you that these Bangor-Punta era guns were not as well made as the earlier guns, but most will agree that these are -so- much better than current guns. And keep in mind that Smith & Wesson no longer makes any K-frame .357 Magnum revolvers.

The K-frame has a fantastic "size - feel" to them. If your plan for the gun is a lifetime of service with .38 Special ammo and also the ability to shoot .357 when you choose, a K-frame will be perfect. However, if you want to thrash the revolver with heavy magnum loads on a regular basis, there are MUCH better choices than a K-frame... as it will only take so much of a beating where a GP-100 or an L-frame (or N-frame or Redhawk!) would take a lot more.

I love the Model 19. I would take a 19-3 in a heartbeat. (I have one that I adore) The price of $700 would be on the far upper end in my area (in my opinion) but it's not CRAZY if the revolver is mint in "almost unused condition."

Here is what I'm am 100% sure of: I'd much rather have a very good 19-3 than a box fresh, never been touched and brand spanking new 686. These current guns have dropped off, IMO, and yes, I know that not everyone agrees. As I own more than a dozen different revolvers, I can tell you that my opinion has been formed over 25 years and dozens of revolvers owned, handled, cared for, and shot a lot. I own a 686-3 ('88) and I'm familiar enough with new 686's to have formed this opinion and am firm in my stance.

I would try to get him to come a bit lower than his $700, but if he wouldn't waver from it -AND- it's as "nearly new" as you've been led to believe, I'd rather own it than any of the four listed above, assuming the 686 in question is new production or within the last 10 years or so.
 
I don't have the big book in front of me, but I can tell you that my 19-3 is a 1973 revolver, so it's safe to assume that the one you are looking at is somewhere near that date. I've got a 19-4 that's a 1978/79 gun.
 
If you like the Ruger SP101, you aren't a big guy, and other guns have felt big then you may want to look into the S&W model 640 or S&W model 60. 5 shot J frame revolvers ae small, yet can shoot 357 magnum self defense and light loads though. That sounds like what you need to lean to if guns have felt big to you. You may need to find a small revolver with the right frip. The triggers will smoth out in time, but the 640 trigger is a nice DA on mine. The 640 has a shrouded hammer though so no SA, but the model 60 can shoot SA.
 
Sevens, I appreciate your input very-very much!
Here are my thoughts: I am new to revolvers (even though I am not new to shooting targets) and I would be hesitant to buy a used firearm. That thought kind of put the end to K-frame guns which I seem to like best size wise. However if a firearm indeed looks as good as new and only was shot a few hundred times I doubt anything could be seriously wrong with it, especially when it comes to a revolver. I am into target shooting, thus shooting 357 makes no sense to me. .38 is cheaper and have same effect on the target :-) However 357 is a nice option to have as this would be a self defense gun as well (hopefully never used for self defense, of course). But a precision aiming and comfort would be top priorities for me. This is 6" barrel, which is advantage fror aiming. On 6" 686 and aiming was excellent. I assume I'll get same kind of aiming here with a little less weight, which would be perfect. I'll contact the seller. While I feel a little weird of paying for the older model almost the same money as can pay for new and "improved" one, I see your points as well and appreciate them.
 
If you have the time and energy, absolutely read this thread:
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57816
Keep in mind that even if you can't do all of this or you don't feel comfortable with your own assessment of what you may see or feel when you have the revolver in your hands, reading this is still arming yourself with information.

It may seem like information overload. It may in fact be...info overload! :p But even for someone that is fairly new to revolvers, it is helpful.

I have a few particular things that I look for when I'm inspecting a used revolver. This checklist is even more comprehensive.

Happy shopping. If you end up bringing it home, don't even think about showing it off without pictures. :cool:
 
Sevens, thank again. I think I started on this forum from reading this PDF document :-))) It's pinned on the top of the forum subjects. I did not read the whole thing entirely, but at least went through everything related to DA revolvers. My hesitation comes more from the lack of on hand experience, than from lack of general knowledge. But a man have to start somewhere, so it may be a time for me to start making my own mistakes... or lucky scores :-))))
 
Gentlemen, since I am already in debt to you for your knoweledge, I'd like to ask your opinion on Model 14. How does it compare to Model 19? The look identical and there is very nice example for sale right now. Is Model 14 .38 Special only unlike Model 19 which shots 357 as well? Anything else? Thanks.
 
I'm actually trying to make a similar decision and this thread was very helpful. I was leaning toward the GP100 simply based upon what I read, but really need to try it out. Some of the OPs observations were very similar to my expectations/concerns with the four guns. Thanks for the breakdown!
 
AK71 - I am glad you found my notes useful. GP100 felt like a great gun, I am sure you'll enjoy it very much. As for me, I actually went back to the original range and compared 686 and 66. While they were very-very similar 66 was a tiny bit smaller and lighter which I liked better. Therefore I feel that for me personally K-frame may be the best choice if I can find one in mint condition. Otherwise GP-100 would be my second choice based on the fact that it is comfortable, accurate, has a reputation of being built like a tank and cheaper that 686.
 
I'd like to ask your opinion on Model 14. How does it compare to Model 19? The look identical and there is very nice example for sale right now. Is Model 14 .38 Special only unlike Model 19 which shots 357 as well?

The two models have more in common than not. They are both "K" size frames, of course. The original "names" of the two models up until 1957, the Model 19 ("Combat Magnum") and the Model 14 ("Target Masterpiece") best reflects their conceptual purposes (combat vs target shooting), though either can perform the intended "role" of the other. Model 14s (or K-38s) were made mostly with 6" long barrels and my guess is that most Model 19s came with 4" long barrels. Finishes and sights were similar, especially on later models, and target hammers and target triggers could be had on both models.
Probably the biggest difference is the one you addressed: the Model 19 is chambered in .357 Magnum (and thus can also shoot any .38 Special cartridge loading) and the Model 14 is chambered in .38 Special only. They are both fabulous revolvers; the likes of which, in terms of finish and workmanship on a factory production handgun, will, unfortunately, not be seen again.
 
GP100 is great all around, well balanced and is easy to shoot well. Some don't like the heavy feel of the SP101 trigger, but that can be corrected with a trigger job. The good thing about Rugers is they will take any ammo you feed them.
 
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