S&w 66

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mrat

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I was at my favorite gun store yesterday and saw he had a used
S&W 66 2 1/2 with Pachmeyer grips in excellent condition. He stated he would have sold it to me for $325 plus tax and reg, not a great price but a little less than what they go for around here. Upon inspection I noticed that if I pushed on the cocked hammer with a little pressure it went forward. I pointed it out to him and he said he was going to send it back to S&W to get fixed before putting back on the shelf. He said he took the gun on trade and didn't check out too closely, he was not too happy.

So how bad is this and how much would it cost me to fix it? I was thinking of offering $250 as is (plus tax, reg) and getting the parts needed to fix it myself as long it isn't too involved.

Thanks guys
 
This is known as "push-off". It can be a sign of wear, but is usually a sign that somebody has worked over the trigger action. Either lighter springs, or alteration of the action. Needless to say, this is UNSAFE.

Depending on what it is, it can be a very simple fix, IF you know how.

If you have access to a good pistol smith, and parts haven't been ruined, it shouldn't cost too much to repair.

You can also send it in to S&W.

If you want to fix it yourself, buy a copy of Jerry Kunhausen's book on gunsmithing the S&W revolvers. It gives very complete instructions on repair of "push-off".

At worst, you will need to replace the hammer and trigger. At best, a few strokes of a 6" stone will fix it. At really best, tightening the strain screw may be all that's needed.
 
I'd have him send it back...S&W will refurb it as well as repairing the "push-off" problem.

Assuming that you'll still be able to get it for $325, you'll likely come out ahead. Parts from S&W or retailers/wholesalers like Brownell's aren't cheap. Cost for the repaired revolver is likely going to be about the same. I'd look at the factory overhaul as a plus.

Now, if you already have the parts to fix it, that's another story altogether. :)

Let us know what you decide to do...
 
Zander,
I think I am going to pass on it. At $325 the price for it out the door would be around $370. By the time I add the cost of shipping it to S&W and whatever they charge me to fix it, I might as well get a new one. I doubt the dealer will pay to have it fixed and not add that cost to the firearm.
 
Push-off means somebody took a stone to the sear face to lighten the SA pull and screwed it up. A good rule of thumb is to never stone and SW hammer or trigger sear face. It doesn't actually improve pull and usually screws up the gun.
 
I doubt the dealer will pay to have it fixed and not add that cost to the firearm.
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That's too bad. Have you pitched it to the dealer in exactly those terms? What the heck...doesn't hurt to ask and all he can say is 'no'.

Might give you a bargaining chip next time he has something you want. :cool:
 
Suggestion...
If the gun is in otherwise great shape,
Offer the dealer the $325 WITH a factory rework.
If he says no, walk.

Sam
 
Have you pitched it to the dealer in exactly those terms?

If the gun is in otherwise great shape,
Offer the dealer the $325 WITH a factory rework.

I was thinking of making the above offer. I was also thinking of offering him $300 out the door as is. I have to go in there next week to pick up a Benelli I just bought so I will probably talk to him then. I was in a couple of days ago to pick up a Ruger Vaquero I bought and noticed he had it back on the shelf, for the same price without being fixed.:(
 
Repair

You might consider offering the dealer rather less for the revolver as is, where is.

S&W has a great deal on repairs. They call it a "tune up" that results in a mechanically excellent gun. It costs $50 and is the best deal around. Unless major parts are needed, the price includes parts.

I'd be willing to bet the dealer would make you a deal on it as is.

FWIW

Chuck
 
Dealer put it back out...
Same price...
Not fixed.

Awareness alarm going off.

He might well have NOT been suprised when you pushed it off.
He's maby just lookin for a fish to buy a broken gun at a premium price.

I was considering offering $200 out the door.....and after thinkin bout it, think I would walk.

Sam
 
He's maby just lookin for a fish to buy a broken gun at a premium price.

I think this is exactly what he is trying to do. I do believe that he didn't know about until I pointed out to him, I have traded in several firearms at his shop and he never has checked them over. But putting it back on the shelf at the same price while still broken is very wrong. He has always been straight up with me but I have spent lots of dollars at his shop and I help him out at the counter while I am in there. His credibility has gone down in my eyes. :(
 
If you think you know him well enough...
Might try gently discussing it with him.
He might be innocent in his own mind and amenable to enlightenment.

Maby in it deep and only seeing loss avoidance and not the damage he could cause down the road.

Happy customer tells a friend. Unhappy customer tells the world.

Sam
 
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