I'm looking for a classic .357 shooter to play with at the range using .38s mostly for practice, occasional rounds of .357s. I shot my boyfriend's Colt Lawman snubnose last weekend and loved it. Also considering the S&W 66 or 19 models instead of the Colt line. Thoughts? Pros/cons?
S&W 66/19 or Colt Trooper/Lawman?
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Colt Trooper Mark III
Here's a piece on auction through a reputable seller at gunbroker:
For Auction: A Colt Trooper Mark III revolver in good condition (80-85%). Light scratches and handling marks. No Rust. Bore is excellent. Gun has been cleaned. Serial# L7415 – approximately made in 1976.
Features:
Caliber: .357 Magnum/ .38 Special
Nickel Finish
4” Barrel
Adjustable Rear Sight
I'm the highest bidder right now at $375.
Here's a piece on auction through a reputable seller at gunbroker:
For Auction: A Colt Trooper Mark III revolver in good condition (80-85%). Light scratches and handling marks. No Rust. Bore is excellent. Gun has been cleaned. Serial# L7415 – approximately made in 1976.
Features:
Caliber: .357 Magnum/ .38 Special
Nickel Finish
4” Barrel
Adjustable Rear Sight
I'm the highest bidder right now at $375.
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S&W 19-5
And this is another one up for auction I am considering:
"Smith and Wesson Model 19-5 .357 mag Nickel finish, 4in. barrel, large wooden grips numbered 34, 6-shot. Overall good condition. Has many small scratches and has a faint drag line on the cylinder. However, a good cleaning would make this gun shine like new!"
This one is going for $420 right now.
And this is another one up for auction I am considering:
"Smith and Wesson Model 19-5 .357 mag Nickel finish, 4in. barrel, large wooden grips numbered 34, 6-shot. Overall good condition. Has many small scratches and has a faint drag line on the cylinder. However, a good cleaning would make this gun shine like new!"
This one is going for $420 right now.
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Model12Win
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Neither.
I own a Colt Python 4" satin nickel, and quite frankly would pick it over both of those revolvers.
I own a Colt Python 4" satin nickel, and quite frankly would pick it over both of those revolvers.
I would also prefer the Python but they currently sell for $2,000+ so a Python may not be a good choice for a casual range gun.
The K frame S&W (19/66) is a classic revolver. I personally don't like the look of stainless but it is more practical on a working gun.
Be aware there are two Troopers. The pre-1969 Trooper has the same action as the Python. The Mk III Trooper is a completely different revolver. Most Colt lovers prefer the earlier version but the Mk III is a perfectly good pistol.
Comparing the Colt to the Smith most shooters will vote for the S&W. You have tried the Colt and like it. Either will do what you want it to do just fine.
The Colt is built on a larger frame than the K frame S&W, so it's a bit sturdier. But it's also a bit larger and heavier.
Colt prices are insane since Colt pulled out of the handgun market a few years ago. But if you like the Trooper you shot then look for one. Note that the shorter the barrel the bigger the price. The 2" (or 2.5" as the case may be) guns are always in high demand and command more money. A 4" model will be cheaper and easier to shoot. But buy what makes you happy. Life's too short to do otherwise.
The K frame S&W (19/66) is a classic revolver. I personally don't like the look of stainless but it is more practical on a working gun.
Be aware there are two Troopers. The pre-1969 Trooper has the same action as the Python. The Mk III Trooper is a completely different revolver. Most Colt lovers prefer the earlier version but the Mk III is a perfectly good pistol.
Comparing the Colt to the Smith most shooters will vote for the S&W. You have tried the Colt and like it. Either will do what you want it to do just fine.
The Colt is built on a larger frame than the K frame S&W, so it's a bit sturdier. But it's also a bit larger and heavier.
Colt prices are insane since Colt pulled out of the handgun market a few years ago. But if you like the Trooper you shot then look for one. Note that the shorter the barrel the bigger the price. The 2" (or 2.5" as the case may be) guns are always in high demand and command more money. A 4" model will be cheaper and easier to shoot. But buy what makes you happy. Life's too short to do otherwise.
I agree, either one would be fine.
I have a 6" Python, 6" Trooper MK V (the third model Trooper)a 4" Lawman, and a 6" Officers Model Match. Of the four, I enjoy shooting the Officers Model Match at the range the most as it's the most accurate of the lot.
You may be able to find one on Gunbroker for a reasonable price, although they are 38 special only
Oh..and I also have seven Smith & Wessons and enjoy shooting all of them too.
You have good taste in firearms by the way.
I have a 6" Python, 6" Trooper MK V (the third model Trooper)a 4" Lawman, and a 6" Officers Model Match. Of the four, I enjoy shooting the Officers Model Match at the range the most as it's the most accurate of the lot.
You may be able to find one on Gunbroker for a reasonable price, although they are 38 special only
Oh..and I also have seven Smith & Wessons and enjoy shooting all of them too.
You have good taste in firearms by the way.
A Python does not offer $1500 in improvement over the other guns mentioned, besides having a more delicate lock work than the others. I would see what felt the best to me knowing that I could change out the grips to help get the feel I wanted. S&W would give you more options in this area. A nice K frame should suit you very well based on what you plan for it but a Colt has that unique look with that sexy trigger guard.
Just IMHO ....... I have a 6" Python and it is a fine revolver. Made on the old Officer's Model frame IIRC, it is about equivalent to a K frame Smith. The Python has the old long action like the pre-war Smiths and some like it and some don't.
The post war Smiths, with the short action are certainly less money and as previously posted, the lock work is less complicated if you ever need to find someone to work on it that knows what they are doing.
I think if I was going for a 66 it would be a 6" bbl for range use. I have a 2-1/2 and love it but never shoot it. A beast with 357 cartridges. The L frame is a nice compromise. Not as heavy as the N frame but enough beef to fire 357s in 'comfortably' and not shoot loose.
The K frames and the Pythons are said to be more fragile. I've never shot one loose myself but maybe I didn't shoot them enough. I have a 5" M-27 N frame that is a pleasure to shoot 357s in. Heavy though if that is a consideration.
The post war Smiths, with the short action are certainly less money and as previously posted, the lock work is less complicated if you ever need to find someone to work on it that knows what they are doing.
I think if I was going for a 66 it would be a 6" bbl for range use. I have a 2-1/2 and love it but never shoot it. A beast with 357 cartridges. The L frame is a nice compromise. Not as heavy as the N frame but enough beef to fire 357s in 'comfortably' and not shoot loose.
The K frames and the Pythons are said to be more fragile. I've never shot one loose myself but maybe I didn't shoot them enough. I have a 5" M-27 N frame that is a pleasure to shoot 357s in. Heavy though if that is a consideration.
the S&W has it... for now.
Thanks, guys. I thought this was going to be my third and last gun. Ha! Famous last words.... I'm two hours out from owning the 4" S&W 19-5. It'll be a good range gun, I'm sure of it. Highest bid right now at $430. Not bad at all.
But.... I am totally in love with the Colt Lawman and Trooper, though. I love the chubby knob of the Colt's classic barrel release of all things. It also has that look and feel of more metal in the hammer and trigger. I decided I really don't like the venting on the Python. I did like the look of the King Cobra too. The old classic cowboy western is what I'm going for with more punch than my Ruger .22 Six Shooter for plinking. The Mark III gives you the .357 option which I want, not just the .38 caliber. I think I did my homework correctly on that. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I decided I want one of each. Go figure. I went with the 19 because I'm partial to the nickel plate. I really want to customize the Colt, though, with a high polish, engraving, and ivory grips. The S&W will be more for regular range use.
Yeah, I feel confident about my choices with all that I've read over the past week on here, wiki (the history of both companies and models are great reading!) and on a S&W revolver forum, too. My .38 S&W Bodyguard that I have for CCW is not much fun to shoot but has it's place in my growing collection and purse. I'm excited about shooting both of these when they arrive. Got both for just shy of $1000. I think I did good.
Thanks, guys. I thought this was going to be my third and last gun. Ha! Famous last words.... I'm two hours out from owning the 4" S&W 19-5. It'll be a good range gun, I'm sure of it. Highest bid right now at $430. Not bad at all.
But.... I am totally in love with the Colt Lawman and Trooper, though. I love the chubby knob of the Colt's classic barrel release of all things. It also has that look and feel of more metal in the hammer and trigger. I decided I really don't like the venting on the Python. I did like the look of the King Cobra too. The old classic cowboy western is what I'm going for with more punch than my Ruger .22 Six Shooter for plinking. The Mark III gives you the .357 option which I want, not just the .38 caliber. I think I did my homework correctly on that. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I decided I want one of each. Go figure. I went with the 19 because I'm partial to the nickel plate. I really want to customize the Colt, though, with a high polish, engraving, and ivory grips. The S&W will be more for regular range use.
Yeah, I feel confident about my choices with all that I've read over the past week on here, wiki (the history of both companies and models are great reading!) and on a S&W revolver forum, too. My .38 S&W Bodyguard that I have for CCW is not much fun to shoot but has it's place in my growing collection and purse. I'm excited about shooting both of these when they arrive. Got both for just shy of $1000. I think I did good.
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lee n. field
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Yeah, right. "I can stop any time, I really can."
Get the S&W.
Understand going in that all of the models you mention are older guns that are out of production.
Parts, if needed, are drying up for all.
Colt is losing the ability to perform some aspects of service if needed, same with Smith & Wesson.
The 19 should not be fired extensively (I said EXTENSIVELY) with full-bore magnum loads.
S&W has no replacement barrels, and can't replace things like hammers & firing pins on them.
The guns you list are classics, they're not exactly fragile, but they can wear out & when they do repairs are becoming increasingly more difficult.
The older Smiths are typically easier to find parts for.
Denis
Parts, if needed, are drying up for all.
Colt is losing the ability to perform some aspects of service if needed, same with Smith & Wesson.
The 19 should not be fired extensively (I said EXTENSIVELY) with full-bore magnum loads.
S&W has no replacement barrels, and can't replace things like hammers & firing pins on them.
The guns you list are classics, they're not exactly fragile, but they can wear out & when they do repairs are becoming increasingly more difficult.
The older Smiths are typically easier to find parts for.
Denis
I admire your choice of handguns.
Sure looks like you've done your homework on them. Please tell us how the auctions come out. I'm looking forward to hearing a range report on your guns and hope you keep posting here.
I think you mean the cylinder latch. Please don't take offense it's just that I read a whole book where a certain revolver played a key point and the author kept calling the 'cylinder' the 'barrel' and it drove me nuts.
Once again, welcome to the forum and I look forward to more of your posts, and again I think you have excellent taste in handguns.
Sure looks like you've done your homework on them. Please tell us how the auctions come out. I'm looking forward to hearing a range report on your guns and hope you keep posting here.
I think you mean the cylinder latch. Please don't take offense it's just that I read a whole book where a certain revolver played a key point and the author kept calling the 'cylinder' the 'barrel' and it drove me nuts.
Once again, welcome to the forum and I look forward to more of your posts, and again I think you have excellent taste in handguns.
Yes, parts are getting to be a problem.
I dropped off my Colt Lawman with a gunsmith on 6-12-13 and I just got it back on 5-22-14 so, almost a year to get the hammer replaced!
Someone had filed the hammer, so after you cocked it you could literaly blow on the trigger and it would go off
(but I'm a happy camper now!)
I dropped off my Colt Lawman with a gunsmith on 6-12-13 and I just got it back on 5-22-14 so, almost a year to get the hammer replaced!
Someone had filed the hammer, so after you cocked it you could literaly blow on the trigger and it would go off
(but I'm a happy camper now!)
PatientWolf
New member
If you won your auction, enjoy - the 19 is a great gun. I have a 66 that I really like (although I really wish it was a 686 due to the potential forcing cone issues attributed to the 19/66).
If you didn't win and are still looking, you may want to consider looking into a 586/686.
If you didn't win and are still looking, you may want to consider looking into a 586/686.
I disagree a bit. The problem appears to have been with really fast 110gr and 125gr stuff. The 158gr loads do not appear to have been the cause of the flame-cutting and forcing-cone problems.
You're correct on the issue of parts, but in the long run, the Smiths will be easier to find parts for. There's also a wider variety of aftermarket grips than there are for the Colts.
Tom,
Knew a guy who had to send his 19 back for rebuilds twice, after which S&W said "Last time, no mo."
It's partly those lightweight bullets, but there can also be frame stretching, cone erosion, cone cracking & so on.
I said CAN be, no flames on the durability of the 19, please.
Good guns, genuine classics, just not built for HEAVY use of full-bore .357s.
Denis
Knew a guy who had to send his 19 back for rebuilds twice, after which S&W said "Last time, no mo."
It's partly those lightweight bullets, but there can also be frame stretching, cone erosion, cone cracking & so on.
I said CAN be, no flames on the durability of the 19, please.
Good guns, genuine classics, just not built for HEAVY use of full-bore .357s.
Denis