newuspowner
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i an thinking of buying one, wanting to know any info on the gun,
thanks
thanks
?'s on the saiga 12ga
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Such as...????
I've heard good things about them, but I have yet to hold one in my hands.
If you are a fair hand with a dremel, you can convert them to accept standard AK stocks and pistol grips.
Magazines are expensive, and the 8 rounders much more so. There has been talk and pictures of prototypes of domestically produced high cap magazines, but nothing more and speculation is rife.
I don't really know much else.
If no one else here can help, I'd like to recommend http://forum.saiga-12.com/ . They will be able to set you straight.
I've heard good things about them, but I have yet to hold one in my hands.
If you are a fair hand with a dremel, you can convert them to accept standard AK stocks and pistol grips.
Magazines are expensive, and the 8 rounders much more so. There has been talk and pictures of prototypes of domestically produced high cap magazines, but nothing more and speculation is rife.
I don't really know much else.
If no one else here can help, I'd like to recommend http://forum.saiga-12.com/ . They will be able to set you straight.
banditt007
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before there was all BS with importing them (not that its illegal just that either they currently arent being shipped here or no dealers here want to have them)
about 4 years ago they were $180-200, now they are what like $450-500, not even all tricked out, just in stock form.
I want one too, they are def nice, but its a stamped AK that has doubled in price, while the gun stayed the same.
I'm either going to wait until the price drops from them being imported in mass again.
or
just not get one. i was all about them and did some research and ehhh
things like if you have a full mag loaded and have it in the gun but havent racked back the slide, it will deform the shell and cause feeding problems.
there is no last shot bolt hold open feature.
mags are stupid expensive and the only ones 1/2 reasonable are the 5 shot ones, the 8 shot ones are redic expensive, and the 10 shot ones that are supposedly going to become domestically produced, are vapor ware.
i beleive a very select few saigas came factory with a last shot bolt hold open but its very rare.
also i beleive you can retro fit it, but i dont think it works that great, or there is some kind of BS to it where it wouldnt work like you would think. like you would have to manually hold the bolt back and then slide in the slide release to hold it back, something like that.
IMO they are a decent gun for $200, and if 10 shot mags were available with a bolt hold open on the last shot it would be great. But IMO the market drove the price up of a gun that isnt worth 1/2 that.
i did research on it like 4 months ago so i am not perfectly clear on everything, however i did answer what i beleive to be correct.
O yeah also its the kind of thing where if you want like the 8 shot magazine and a verticle fore grip ect you need to convert the gun with X amount of american made parts to do so or its illegal blah blah blah. way too much BS.
about 4 years ago they were $180-200, now they are what like $450-500, not even all tricked out, just in stock form.
I want one too, they are def nice, but its a stamped AK that has doubled in price, while the gun stayed the same.
I'm either going to wait until the price drops from them being imported in mass again.
or
just not get one. i was all about them and did some research and ehhh
things like if you have a full mag loaded and have it in the gun but havent racked back the slide, it will deform the shell and cause feeding problems.
there is no last shot bolt hold open feature.
mags are stupid expensive and the only ones 1/2 reasonable are the 5 shot ones, the 8 shot ones are redic expensive, and the 10 shot ones that are supposedly going to become domestically produced, are vapor ware.
i beleive a very select few saigas came factory with a last shot bolt hold open but its very rare.
also i beleive you can retro fit it, but i dont think it works that great, or there is some kind of BS to it where it wouldnt work like you would think. like you would have to manually hold the bolt back and then slide in the slide release to hold it back, something like that.
IMO they are a decent gun for $200, and if 10 shot mags were available with a bolt hold open on the last shot it would be great. But IMO the market drove the price up of a gun that isnt worth 1/2 that.
i did research on it like 4 months ago so i am not perfectly clear on everything, however i did answer what i beleive to be correct.
O yeah also its the kind of thing where if you want like the 8 shot magazine and a verticle fore grip ect you need to convert the gun with X amount of american made parts to do so or its illegal blah blah blah. way too much BS.
newuspowner
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there is a gun show this weekend, i am hopeing to find 2 of them for a reasionable price, and also trade my usp45c and some cash for some type of large caliber bolt gun,
thanks for all the info
thanks for all the info
Wow. banditt007, there is so much misinformation in your post I don't know where to start.
Okay, for some background. I'm a big Saiga fan. I wrote a review on the Saiga 12 a few years ago for SWAT magazine, and I absolutely loved it. I have used my Saiga since then as my primary open class 3gun shotgun. I have approx 6,000 rounds through my gun, with only a couple of malfunctions. When a new importer was announced, I signed up as a distributor. My company is currently one of the biggest Saiga dealers in the country, so take what I say with my obvious bias in mind.
On price, EAA was the original importer. They lost the contract with the Russians, and blew their stock out to CDNN. That is when you were seeing Saigas for super cheap. That is what CDNN does. They blow out closeouts and trade ins at great prices. CDNN prices are not even close to normal for any regular production guns.
The guns, new are $405. Which is approximately half of what you pay for an X2 or an 1187 or a M1 Super 90. Price ain't gonna drop.
Only worth $200?
Okay then. Good luck with that.
They are being imported en-mass again. Russian American Armory is the new importer. The guns are readily available. People like me have lots of them in stock. The guns began flowing into the country again this year. My first batch arrived right around SHOT show in February.
Most of the Saiga 12s have the manual bolt hold open button. The first two batches that came into the country under the new importer did not, but all since have. The majority of 12s in the country have the bolt hold open button. My personal one does, but I don't use it anyway.
On loading, I know a lot about this because reloading is the key to winning in 3gun shotgun. Yes, the bolt needs to be open to insert a loaded magazine. The shells stick out so far that it is really difficult otherwise. So when you run dry, reach up with your strong hand, hold the bolt to the rear with your fingers while squeezing the receiver, rock and lock the mag in, and when you move your strong hand back to the grip, the bolt flys forward. It takes a lot longer to describe than to do. On the clock in competition, my reload takes about 2.5 seconds.
Yes, 8 rounders were the original higher cap magazine. They are scarce and expensive. I have a few personal ones, that people have offered me absurd sums of money for. 5 rounders are common and about $33. 10 rounders are currently vaporware. I'm pretty certain that somebody will get those made soon, as the market for them is huge.
I'm currently building .308, 20-round Saiga mags right now. Once that project is completed, if nobody else has gotten to the market with 10 round 12 gauge, I will probably do those too. But I'm hopefull that we will see new US production 10 rounders before that point.
And the last part about the law, it is 922R. The same law that governs all of our imported AW type guns, and anything related to it. It takes about two minutes to familiarize yourself with it. The stock guns are fine as is, and if you want to go nuts with one, but stay within the law, that is what people like me are for. We use Tromix for all of our Saiga conversions.
Okay, for some background. I'm a big Saiga fan. I wrote a review on the Saiga 12 a few years ago for SWAT magazine, and I absolutely loved it. I have used my Saiga since then as my primary open class 3gun shotgun. I have approx 6,000 rounds through my gun, with only a couple of malfunctions. When a new importer was announced, I signed up as a distributor. My company is currently one of the biggest Saiga dealers in the country, so take what I say with my obvious bias in mind.
On price, EAA was the original importer. They lost the contract with the Russians, and blew their stock out to CDNN. That is when you were seeing Saigas for super cheap. That is what CDNN does. They blow out closeouts and trade ins at great prices. CDNN prices are not even close to normal for any regular production guns.
The guns, new are $405. Which is approximately half of what you pay for an X2 or an 1187 or a M1 Super 90. Price ain't gonna drop.
Only worth $200?
Okay then. Good luck with that.They are being imported en-mass again. Russian American Armory is the new importer. The guns are readily available. People like me have lots of them in stock. The guns began flowing into the country again this year. My first batch arrived right around SHOT show in February.
Most of the Saiga 12s have the manual bolt hold open button. The first two batches that came into the country under the new importer did not, but all since have. The majority of 12s in the country have the bolt hold open button. My personal one does, but I don't use it anyway.
On loading, I know a lot about this because reloading is the key to winning in 3gun shotgun. Yes, the bolt needs to be open to insert a loaded magazine. The shells stick out so far that it is really difficult otherwise. So when you run dry, reach up with your strong hand, hold the bolt to the rear with your fingers while squeezing the receiver, rock and lock the mag in, and when you move your strong hand back to the grip, the bolt flys forward. It takes a lot longer to describe than to do. On the clock in competition, my reload takes about 2.5 seconds.
Yes, 8 rounders were the original higher cap magazine. They are scarce and expensive. I have a few personal ones, that people have offered me absurd sums of money for. 5 rounders are common and about $33. 10 rounders are currently vaporware. I'm pretty certain that somebody will get those made soon, as the market for them is huge.
I'm currently building .308, 20-round Saiga mags right now. Once that project is completed, if nobody else has gotten to the market with 10 round 12 gauge, I will probably do those too. But I'm hopefull that we will see new US production 10 rounders before that point.
And the last part about the law, it is 922R. The same law that governs all of our imported AW type guns, and anything related to it. It takes about two minutes to familiarize yourself with it. The stock guns are fine as is, and if you want to go nuts with one, but stay within the law, that is what people like me are for. We use Tromix for all of our Saiga conversions.
AmesJainchill
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I didn't think there was another semiautomatic shotgun that took detachable mags in that price range.
The second is good to know.
FirstFreedom
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Corr, if you download the mags by 1, THEN could you rock them in with the bolt closed? And is Tromix the one that's gonna turn 10 rounders from vaporware into reality?
You can rock the 5s in with 4 in them with the bolt closed. But on the 8 rounders you need to download by two, which defeats the purpose. It is just faster to load my way.
It isn't Tromix. Tromix is in cahoots with us on the .308 Saiga mags, but he isn't producing any mag bodies himself. The guy that I'm banking on goes by Z1500 on Saiga 12, and I'm inline to buy most of his first production run. However at this time they are still vaporware.
Now if the 10s remain vaporware by the time I've got the .308 production in full swing, then FBMG will produce the magazines ourselves. I was pictured in USPSA FrontSight magazine, and the caption said that I would be selling 10 round Saiga 12 mags, and the phone has been ringing off the hook from IPSC open class guys ever since.
It isn't Tromix. Tromix is in cahoots with us on the .308 Saiga mags, but he isn't producing any mag bodies himself. The guy that I'm banking on goes by Z1500 on Saiga 12, and I'm inline to buy most of his first production run. However at this time they are still vaporware.
Now if the 10s remain vaporware by the time I've got the .308 production in full swing, then FBMG will produce the magazines ourselves. I was pictured in USPSA FrontSight magazine, and the caption said that I would be selling 10 round Saiga 12 mags, and the phone has been ringing off the hook from IPSC open class guys ever since.
newuspowner
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so, for a semi-auto shotgun it would be a wise investment? i have seen that the saiga is offered in 3", but what bbl length is best suited, also can slugs be fired from the weapon..
the reason for me buying one is for home protection and some fun at the range
the reason for me buying one is for home protection and some fun at the range
Bowhunter57
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Correia,
I'd like to puchase a Saiga in 12 gauge for hunting varmints like fox, coyote, groundhogs, etc.
How well does the 24" barrels pattern #4 or larger buckshot sizes?
Is the Polychoke necessary for tight patterns?
What is the (out of the box w/ quality ammo) .308 Saiga rifle's M.O.A.?
If you prefer I can e-mail Tony at Tromix.
Good hunting, Bowhunter57
I'd like to puchase a Saiga in 12 gauge for hunting varmints like fox, coyote, groundhogs, etc.
How well does the 24" barrels pattern #4 or larger buckshot sizes?
Is the Polychoke necessary for tight patterns?
What is the (out of the box w/ quality ammo) .308 Saiga rifle's M.O.A.?
If you prefer I can e-mail Tony at Tromix.
Good hunting, Bowhunter57
The .308s seem to be averaging 2 MOA or better.
I've not put a 24" onto a patterning board, so can't really say.
Don't interupt Tony, he is building guns for me.
(seriously, when it comes the mechanical end of things, the man is an evil genius, and he would be the one to know).
I've not put a 24" onto a patterning board, so can't really say.
Don't interupt Tony, he is building guns for me.
(seriously, when it comes the mechanical end of things, the man is an evil genius, and he would be the one to know).cosmolinelover
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Nice webpage Correia.. easily navigated and straightforward (not to mention all the great stuff you have for sale), and GOOD looking prices too.