?'s about selling gun out of state
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Jim Watson
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It has to go to an FFL, period.
Some FFLs require it come FROM another FFL but this is just a CYA maneuver, it is not the law.
Some FFLs require it come FROM another FFL but this is just a CYA maneuver, it is not the law.
threecharley
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they send you a file copy of the ffl/ dealer they want you to send it to. all the info will be on the shipping ffl.
mapsjanhere
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Not by federal law, but a lot of FFL don't like to receive boxes with guns from non-FFL in case the paperwork is screwy (Tam wrote a nice line about having trouble to properly enter "white box with hard to read sender" in her books).
How many guns are involved? If less than a half dozen, selling them directly may be OK, or you can put them on consignment at a gun dealer. But if a lot (200-500 guns) I would go the auction route.
One more thing. Note the amount you paid for each gun and the amount you get for it; any profit is taxable as capital gains. (Yes, yes, I know. But evading taxes is a felony and conviction means no more guns.)
Jim
One more thing. Note the amount you paid for each gun and the amount you get for it; any profit is taxable as capital gains. (Yes, yes, I know. But evading taxes is a felony and conviction means no more guns.)
Jim
chris in va
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Shipping is usually a heck of a lot cheaper if done through an FFL instead of doing it yourself, especially for handguns.
Shop around though, don't run down to the first gun store you see. For example, my local FFL/range charges $50 for the transfer fee plus shipping. I asked around and discovered a little place way out in the country that does the whole shebang for $35.
Shop around though, don't run down to the first gun store you see. For example, my local FFL/range charges $50 for the transfer fee plus shipping. I asked around and discovered a little place way out in the country that does the whole shebang for $35.
carguychris
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Also, in terms of making the shipment, it's important to know a few things. (Most of this is copied from an earlier post of mine.)
Rifles and shotguns may be sent via US Mail including regular Parcel Post. You may run into ignorant postal clerks who claim it's not legal; ask them to look in the regulations or ask to see their supervisor. However, some people have reported having to try another post office.
Rifles and shotguns may also be sent via UPS or FedEx ground, which is generally a bit cheaper, but you have to ship it from an actual company-operated hub, NOT from a drop box or one of their strip-center "UPS Store" locations, which are franchises and aren't authorized to handle firearms. Hubs can generally be found at your nearest commercial airport with scheduled airline service. The inconvenience of reaching a hub may be a deal-killer if you live in a rural area.
It's illegal for anyone but an 01 "Dealer" FFL to send a handgun via the U.S. mail. Period. It's a violation of postal regulations. You may find some people who claim it's legal because it doesn't show up in the federal firearms regulations, but they're not looking in the right place.
You can send a handgun out-of-state via UPS or FedEx, but their regulations require that you send it next-day air rather than ground. Generally the cheapest option is UPS "Next Day Air Saver", which doesn't guarantee AM delivery, but will save you $8-$10. However, the package will still typically cost $35-$60. The same restrictions on shipping locations apply; see above.
Due to the expense and hassle, it's often cheaper and easier to send handguns FFL-to-FFL because they can ship via USPS Priority Mail. The difference in cost between this and Next Day Air may offset the FFL transfer fee.
Some unethical folks will tell you "well, you can lie about what's in the package and send that handgun by UPS Ground...", but lying to the USPS or a common carrier such as UPS or FedEx regarding the contents of a package is a federal crime.
By federal law, nobody can require you to label a package saying that it contains a firearm. This applies to the USPS and common carriers equally.
Rifles and shotguns may be sent via US Mail including regular Parcel Post. You may run into ignorant postal clerks who claim it's not legal; ask them to look in the regulations or ask to see their supervisor. However, some people have reported having to try another post office.
Rifles and shotguns may also be sent via UPS or FedEx ground, which is generally a bit cheaper, but you have to ship it from an actual company-operated hub, NOT from a drop box or one of their strip-center "UPS Store" locations, which are franchises and aren't authorized to handle firearms. Hubs can generally be found at your nearest commercial airport with scheduled airline service. The inconvenience of reaching a hub may be a deal-killer if you live in a rural area.It's illegal for anyone but an 01 "Dealer" FFL to send a handgun via the U.S. mail. Period. It's a violation of postal regulations. You may find some people who claim it's legal because it doesn't show up in the federal firearms regulations, but they're not looking in the right place.
You can send a handgun out-of-state via UPS or FedEx, but their regulations require that you send it next-day air rather than ground. Generally the cheapest option is UPS "Next Day Air Saver", which doesn't guarantee AM delivery, but will save you $8-$10. However, the package will still typically cost $35-$60. The same restrictions on shipping locations apply; see above.
Due to the expense and hassle, it's often cheaper and easier to send handguns FFL-to-FFL because they can ship via USPS Priority Mail. The difference in cost between this and Next Day Air may offset the FFL transfer fee.
Some unethical folks will tell you "well, you can lie about what's in the package and send that handgun by UPS Ground...", but lying to the USPS or a common carrier such as UPS or FedEx regarding the contents of a package is a federal crime.
By federal law, nobody can require you to label a package saying that it contains a firearm. This applies to the USPS and common carriers equally.
dogtown tom
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...
Strong statement, but incorrect.
Someone else mentioned pawn brokers (which I believe a 02_, but let's not forget....
Manufacturers (some manufactures are a type 01, I don't believe all are), and
authorized agent of the federal government or the government of a state, territory, or district,
The code is long and notes many restrictions. So a search of code is required.
dogtown tom
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It's a common misconception.....thanks to ATF. Although ATF readily admits the erroneous information found in the firearm "FAQ's" on their website, they have yet to correct the error.
Here is the FAQ that is in error:
Note how the actual citation from the Code of Federal Regulations reads:
Here is the response from ATF: (courtesy of NavyLT)
Note that the CFR was renumbered after this letter was written.
carguychris
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Thanks for the legal corrections, y'all. I'll correct the post next time. 
gearchecker
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Can ammo be shipped in the same container as the firearm?
This is one I'm not certain about.
Can a seller ship ammo with the firearm. Every now & then I see a post where the seller is selling ammo and a gun in the same transaction.
Can anybody answer if they can be shipped together, or must they be shipped seperatly?
GQ
This is one I'm not certain about.
Can a seller ship ammo with the firearm. Every now & then I see a post where the seller is selling ammo and a gun in the same transaction.
Can anybody answer if they can be shipped together, or must they be shipped seperatly?
GQ
Jim Watson
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The shippers will not (knowingly) accept ammunition in the same container as a gun. I do not know if there is law or regulation on the subject.
dogtown tom
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USPS- No, ammunition is not mailable.
UPS- No, ammunition cannot be included in packages that contain firearms.http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/resources/ship/packaging/guidelines/firearms.html?srch_pos=3&srch_phr=handgun
FedEx-No, Ammunition is an explosive and must be shipped separately as dangerous goods.http://fedex.com/us/terms/express-ground/index.html
Federal DOT requires ammunition to be shipped via "Ground" only. Such shipments need to be properly labled with an ORM-D label.
"Not by federal law, but a lot of FFL don't like to receive boxes with guns from non-FFL in case the paperwork is screwy (Tam wrote a nice line about having trouble to properly enter "white box with hard to read sender" in her books)."
Always include a clear photocopy of picture ID.
Always include a clear photocopy of picture ID.