Ruger's Position..Anybody Care?

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I thought this was interesting. Originally from 1993. Re-displayed on their web site unchanged. I thought it refreshing to see a company standing by their position.


Firearms Ownership in America -- Our Responsibility for the Future

It is entirely appropriate at this point in the history of the Company and the nation to restate our values -- that is, who we are and what we would like to see in our country's future.

"An Ancient and Honorable Enterprise"
Ours is an ancient and honorable enterprise, the oldest in America. Eli Whitney's gun factory marked the beginning of interchangeable, precision manufacturing in America. Sturm, Ruger & Company has been a proud supplier of firearms to over 13 million law-abiding citizens since 1949. Many U.S. Government agencies, and hundreds of police departments worldwide, have used Ruger firearms. The standard training and target pistol for the U.S. armed forces is a Ruger. We have always been a strong supporter of the law-enforcement community. At the same time, our premier reputation has been with law-abiding sportsmen, who use Ruger rifles, shotguns, pistols, and revolvers in perfectly legitimate ways.

Sturm, Ruger was the first company to run full-page firearms safety advertisements, televise public service announcements, and imprint our firearms with a safety message. We have long supported the National Shooting Sports Foundation, the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute, and the many firearms safety programs in effect throughout the nation.

We have often said that if the tiny few who misuse our products simply employed that degree of thinking and care which we put into their design and manufacture, there would be no firearms mishaps. We must never forget that the vast majority of our customers fully meet all their responsibilities.

"Arms Makers for Responsible Citizens"
More than just a motto, this simple statement has defined Sturm, Ruger since its founding in 1949. Variations of the phrase appear in some of our earliest product advertisements, right up to the present day. We are immensely proud of the fact that we have emerged as the leading American firearms manufacturer based upon the exemplary reputation our products enjoy with the honorable citizens of a great nation - one which cherishes the positive enjoyment of firearms in a free society.

"A Symbol of Responsibility"
"With the right of owning a firearm goes the constant responsibility of handling it safely and using it wisely" So read one of our earliest safety advertisements in 1955, and it remains true today. Respecting the right to own firearms bespeaks an extraordinary amount of trust by a government in the wisdom of its citizens; and it is no accident that the freest society in the history of the world permits widespread private ownership of firearms. Concurrent with this inalienable right is the responsibility not to abuse that right by misusing firearms. The national will to prosecute such abuses seems aroused to the point where we are about to consider sweeping reforms to our criminal justice system, which can be a great opportunity.

"Well Meaning, But Without Understanding"
Justice Louis Brandeis once wrote that "the greatest danger to our liberty lurks when government's purposes are beneficent, promoted by men of zeal, well-meaning, but without understanding" Treatment of sweeping social issues by firearms legislation is an example of a well-intended measure that, like some other crime-control proposals, can lead to an unrecognizable America in the next century. A repressive society, in which many civil liberties are curtailed out of our fear of crime, might easily result. We must not let this happen.

"Who is the Enemy?"
The firearms debate has sunk into a public relations game, replete with personal attacks on anyone who disagrees with someone else's position. The fact is that neither the proponents of or those against additional firearms regulation are the enemy - the violent criminal is the enemy of civilization, and it is time that decent citizens toned down the rhetoric against each other.

Law-abiding citizens who happen to own firearms for any number of legitimate reasons are not the enemy in the battle against violent crime. Calling them the enemy Is divisive and misguided. Why is it that the crime rate in the cities, where gun ownership is generally heavily regulated by law, is so very much higher than other areas with much higher per capita rates of lawful gun ownership? The notion that "guns equal crime," without considering the many social factors that go into the making of a criminal, is clearly wrong.

The Government might divert scarce resources and countless police hours in attempts to keep track of 67 million law-abiding citizens and their guns. However, this is not crime control. These good people are not the ones that need further controls. They already obey the law.

"What Won't Work"
What the average citizen wants is control over violence, not gun bans. Nobody wants guns in the hands of felons, mental incompetents, drug dealers, or unsupervised minors, and their ownership of guns is already precluded by law. Nothing outrages those who comply with the 20,000 gun control laws and regulations already in effect more than the reckless misuse of guns by individuals with no values who shouldn't be within miles of them.

Lawful gun owners pride themselves on their prudent use of firearms for legitimate purposes and care as passionately about our nation's future as their non-gun-owning neighbors. Much of the media needlessly angers a principled group of millions of citizens (the true "gun lobby") by invective and slanderous stereotype. Continued castigation of lawful gun ownership simply will not stop violent criminals. Neither will incrementally repressive gun laws.

Treating the crime problem as a "health problem" is another example of misguided thinking. An intentional gunshot wound is not caused by germs, viruses, or accident - it is caused by a criminal. More properly, this is an issue of public safety.

"An Effective, Measured Response"
Even though most violent crime is committed by a tiny fraction of the population, these violent felons are misusing illegal guns in all sorts of ways. The question should not be "How do we ban guns from a population in which almost all citizens are law-abiding?" but rather, "How do we minimize the criminal misuse of guns?"

Toward that end, we urge consideration of:
Instantaneous, point-of-sale background checks In the computer age, there is no reason why a person's criminal and mental health record cannot be electronically checked at the point of sale. There should also be adequate safeguards so that a person improperly denied a purchase can appeal the decision to an impartial fact-finder.


After ensuring, insofar as possible, that a person is an adult, is not insane and has no criminal record, he or she should not be precluded from promptly exercising their Constitutional right to own a firearm. Discretionary permit laws are an affront to law-abiding citizens. Arbitrary governmental intrusions into their freedom of choice to own a gun do nothing but disarm the wrong people.

Prohibition of unsupervised possession of firearms by persons under age 18, with severe penalties. While the tradition of adult supervised firearms training and use is an ancient and healthy one, we cannot condone the unsupervised use of firearms by immature youths. Penalties should be severe for anyone who sells a firearm to a youth in violation of the law. Furthermore, any person using firearms should be treated by our justice system as an adult for the purpose of enforcing any penalties for intentional or accidental misuse of them.


Eliminating guns in schools We all want our children and grandchildren to be safe in school and become productive citizens. With certain exceptions for educational purposes and for organized in-school and afterschool activities, such as rifle teams, scouting, and the like, there is absolutely no reason why guns should be in any school building. Youths who bring unlawful guns to school should be immediately expelled and prosecuted. Of course, any criminal assaults committed with guns in schools should be treated as harshly as the law permits for adults committing the same crime.


Expanding firearms safety programs Despite a manyfold increase in the number of guns and gun owners, firearms accidents have been steadily and dramatically decreasing throughout this century to an all-time low.

Firearms safety education can and has demonstrably reduced needless accidents with firearms, particularly among younger persons. Yet, any suggestion of such a widespread educational program is immediately met with the response that it is actually "promoting guns" If we took this attitude toward sex and drug education programs, we would be accused of being naive and immature. It's time we grew up with respect to the fact that firearms handling is completely dependent upon the mental attitude and ability of the person handling the gun. No gun ever loaded, pointed, and fired itself. Gun safety programs save lives, and the firearms industry has proudly and successfully lead the way, without any government requirement to do so. We invite all who are interested in the safe and responsible use of firearms to join us.

Encouragement of secure 'Storage of firearms and ammunition Either a gun is in use or it should be unloaded. This is an elementary gun safety rule. A very few persons leave loaded guns lying about where they are accessible to children, careless adults, or thieves, and this cannot be condoned. There are many ways to responsibly store firearms and ammunition. We have sold many of our pistols in lockable storage boxes. How a gun can be safely and securely stored and yet available for personal protection is completely dependent upon a whole host of individual circumstances. Personal responsibility is the key.



Increased scrutiny of retail firearms sales A number of years ago, we informed distributors of Ruger firearms that they were only to sell our products to legitimate retail gun dealers. We believe that, in this manner, the products can be properly promoted, their safe operation more adequately explained, and that fewer of our products would end up in the hands of unethical dealers. We pledge to redouble our efforts to stop sales by distributors to those who do not qualify to be on our dealer list.


We urge that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms also intensify its efforts to prosecute illegal gun sales. We feel that there should be severe penalties for firearms dealers who knowingly sell to unqualified individuals or who knowingly participate in "straw man" transactions in which the dealer knows that an ostensibly "legitimate" customer is actually purchasing the firearm to redeliver it to an unqualified person, or for transport into a prohibited jurisdiction.

Ensuring that any proposed legislation adequately protects the rights of law-abiding citizens Those of us who have lived with state or city permit systems for possession or use of a firearms know full well that they are fraught with real and potential abuses. Arbitrary denials by systems in which bureaucrats have unbridled discretion over who may possess a firearm, without carefully thought out and objective standards, are an anathema to a democracy.


Enforcement of tough sentences for use of firearms in crime We must regain. the will to expend our resources and separate from society the violent few that cause such a large percentage of havoc. If a mandatory sentence exists for using a gun in a crime, why in heaven's name isn't this prosecuted first, rather than as an afterthought, if at all?


Rethinking what we accept as "entertainment'' When was the last time you saw a firearm portrayed in the media as anything other than an instrument of mayhem? The saturation of youth with gory violence in the name of 11 entertainment" has a desensitizing effect upon their willingness to take up arms against each other. Let's not pretend otherwise. Guns are constantly portrayed as anti-personnel weapons on television "entertainment" shows and then piously denounced on the same station's news and editorial broadcasts. Some stations won't even run televised firearms safety messages because "they show a gun" The media must bear a serious responsibility in formulating the public's attitude concerning what constitutes the normal and correct use of firearms.


Reexamination of social responsibilities, values, and attitudes toward violence Many urban leaders have urged that the communities which suffer and inflict the most violence upon themselves must move to a higher level of sensitivity against violence. This is all to the good. Ironically, young urban criminals who prey upon their communities are usually precluded from owning any firearms legally, as are their victims. We totally agree that this kind of violence must cease. We must also recognize, however, that the lawful ownership of firearms by rural sportsmen who comply with their own laws has absolutely nothing to do with urban violence. If it were within our power to sweep the streets of illegal guns, we would gladly do so. What we will not do is sacrifice the rights of decent people to own guns in an attempt to disarm illegally armed criminals. Promotion of the values of character and conscience that prevent us from harming one another will be the only effective change to this senseless cycle of violence.


Originally printed December 1993
 
My next two guns will probably be Ruger. I have heard that Ruger pushed for some kind of compromise in the recent past, I certainly hope that they will not go for the current blackmail that our Imperial Goverment is pushing on them. IMO, Ruger is the company of choice for a revolver; it would be real hard for me to find another company to buy from if Ruger sells out this time.

DaHaMac
 
Looks like my future revolver purchase will be wearing the Sturm/Ruger logo vice that of S&W.

I must admit that I prefer the S&W revolvers, but I won't be giving them my business. Ruger is a close second anyway, so it isn't like I'm sacrificing much at all.
 
Wow.

I don't see anything in there about Bill Ruger's support of the 1994 high capacity magazine ban. I also don't see anything about Ruger voluntarily restricting factory high-caps for the Mini-14 a full five years before the high-cap ban was enacted (circa 1989). Also nothing about how Ruger restricted civilian availability of the "evil" version of the Ruger Mini-14 as well (try finding a factory folder and you'll see what I mean).

Yes, that article is dated 1993 and doesn't give the whole story on Ruger's dubious support of gun rights.

Ruger's motto is "Arms Makers for Responsible SPORTSMEN" -- just watch the Great Guns segment on TNN's American Shooter and you'll see what I mean. Apparently, Ruger believes that arms are for sporting use only, not defense of self against goblin or tyrannical government.

Very convenient for them to leave these items out. Ruger, IMHO, is worse than S&W -- at least there weren't any lawsuits hanging over Ruger's head at the time he instituted the above policies.

I'm not a Cooperite, but I remember Jeff saying in one of his Commentaries that the best way to punish such persons was to never let their traitorous deeds go unremembered. Thus, Jeff would mention Lon Horiuchi's name from time to time, so that we would not forget what happened at Ruby Ridge.

Therefore, let Bill Ruger be remembered not as a hero for gun rights, but instead as the man who helped give us the high-cap ban and who trusts us with arms only for sport -- not for defense.

Justin

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Justin T. Huang, Esq.
late of Kennett Square, Pennsylvania


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Ruger is a back stabbing son of a b*tch. I like some of his firearms. I would probably buy some (strong revolvers, cool single actions, and affordable controlled feed rifles). I've recomended their products as 'cheap' and good. But they are no worse than Smith and Wesson in their betrayal of gun owners and RKBA.
 
Ditto what Justin said.

I once thought Ruger was a good company. I was even thinking of buying one of their fine MkII pistols. Then I was made aware of the sell out deal by Bill Ruger and my eyes were opened. Essentially, Bill Ruger sent a letter to EVERY member in congress calling for 15 round limit magazines. Congress just '5-uppped' him with a 10 round limit.

Here is some info on the Ruger sell out.
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/1976/ruger.htm

I am no longer looking to buy any Ruger or S&W products.

To answer the question : "Anybody Care?", my answer is NO!

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Thanks to you all for reminding me that Bill Ruger was at the head of the sellout class several years ago. Time can sometimes have that effect on memories. I guess I need to do a little more digging and pay closer attention.

What's a guy to do if he's looking for a good revolver and he can't buy a S&W or a Ruger?
 
Are you guys out of your freaking minds? You are if you're going to support that sellout company. Look, this is just rhetorical BS! ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS, folks. Anyone can SAY anything and do something entirely different. This is Bill Clintons S.O.P. And apparently Bill Ruger's also. His actions were to support an infringement on liberty, despite his rhetoric. If any company deserves a boycott, it's Ruger - even more so than S&W, IMO.
 
Forgive my directness here but some of you guy's are Lacking Intelligence.

How long are you going to hang on this 10 cap mag thing. I know it sucked but since that time Ruger has stood strong for our rights while still managing to sell quality guns. Personally I would rather shoot 10 rds through an M-14 then be forced to not own one.
They have refused to join the other recent comprimises and should be praised for it.

Do you call your kid worthless all for the rest of his life because one day several years ago he lied to you?

We are currently in the present gentlemen and what S&W is doing now is unbelievable. We need to support our (AMERICAN) companies now because they will listen.
Glock, S&W, HK, SIG, will all fold if they choose to because they do not care about our rights. These countries have all given up there rights and care only to make money from us. A lawsuit cuts into their profit so they take the low road.
Our companies still live here with us so our rights are their rights.

Express your displeasure with Rugers decision on the Hi cap thing while thanking them for staying strong since then.

On the other hand, if you piss on them and boycott them for the Hi cap decision then what reason do they have to stay strong now.

Use a little common sense here gentlemen.

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"It is easier to get out of jail then it is a morgue"
Live long and defend yourself!
John 3:16
 
Ok, if we are going to support American companies, here are a few alternative companies that are American made and not supportive of gun control:

semi-auto rifles: Bushmaster, Springfield Armory are a couple.

Lever action rifles: Winchester and Marlin

Bolt action rifles: Winchester, Remington, Savage

Semi-auto handguns: Kimber, Springfield Armory, Beretta (made in Maryland)

Revolvers: Freedom arms, Dan Wesson

This isn't a complete list but I think you get the idea. There is NOTHING that Ruger makes that I can't find an American made (if you insist) replacement for his products.
 
leedesert, you answered your own question.

If my kid (I don't have any kids, so I'm making this up) lied to me, he or she will be punished until he or she is genuinely sorry and he or she admits that he or she was wrong and apologizes. After all, Jesus told us Catholics that we should forgive our brethren seven upon seven upon seven times -- IF our brother comes to us and asks for our forgiveness.

Bill Ruger has NEVER apologized for, or retracted, his position that ordinary people like us don't need high capacity magazines. And to this point, his "stand" against the HUD lawsuits has been the same -- not one iota more -- as many foreign-owned companies.

Therefore, it is clear that Ruger is not repentant for its stand on high-capacity magazines, and thus should continue to be treated with appropriate contempt.

In addition, his company's motto regarding arms for SPORTSMEN is very recent. American Shooter hasn't been running for more than a few seasons -- and Ruger CONTINUES to use its motto regarding "sportsmen" to this day.

Justin

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Justin T. Huang, Esq.
late of Kennett Square, Pennsylvania


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Justin and all you other guys jumping on Ruger, check this out.

I think the following should set precidence for the entire issue and give a legal foundation to the industry. Aparrently no other municipalities have bothered trying to file a lawsuite against Ruger since.

They're taking a stand where it counts. It's a good old American company that is not presently caving in. We need to make S&W sacrificial at this time to let the other companies, including Ruger, know that they will find the same fate if they choose to follow the same path. This would be true no matter who the first company was to cave. By doing so, we are also demonstrating our strength as an economic and political group to the political powers that be. If we are disatisfied with any decisions made by any manufacturer now is the time to voice that directly to them, not just here. They need that. They need to know that we will shut them down if they go off in the wrong direction. It's all about $$$$$$. Nothing more. I haven't met a corporation yet that cares about anything more than the bottom line. That's the purpose of their very existance. Anything else is just a means to an end.

STURM, RUGER APPLAUDS DISMISSAL OF CINCINNATI LAWSUIT
Southport, Connecticut
October 7, 1999

Sturm, Ruger & Company, Inc., the largest U.S. firearms manufacturer, favorably responded to the dismissal of the Cincinnati mayor's lawsuit today. This was the first dismissal of the lawsuits which have been filed by certain mayors alleging that firearms manufacturers should be held legally responsible for the intentional criminal misuse of their products.

"This was the correct decision. Courts have uniformly held on many prior occasions that manufacturers of lawful, non-defective products which are sold legally cannot be held liable for subsequent criminal misuse of these products," stated Sturm, Ruger Vice President and General Counsel, Stephen L. Sanetti. "To hold otherwise would have serious implications for all sorts of products which can be criminally misused. The precedent of holding firearms manufacturers liable could have been applied to many lawful product manufacturers, and it is not the proper function of the courts to create new law which could eradicate entire industries."

"As the judge in the Cincinnati case correctly observed," Sanetti continued, "complex social and constitutional issues such as firearms regulation should be decided by legislatures, not by individual juries. We scrupulously follow the law in all aspects of our business, and the mayors know this. They should not be expending taxpayer resources on failed legal theories, suing the very same companies that furnish their police departments and law-abiding citizens within their communities with high-quality firearms. The only beneficiaries are the trial lawyers."

"We are the wrong defendants, and they are the wrong plaintiffs, claiming wrong legal theories, in the wrong forums. Instead, they should work with us to intensify firearms safety education programs which do save lives, and we urge them to direct their own law enforcement efforts to prosecute violent felons and those who knowingly sell guns illegally to them. We would be delighted to work together with them on these important public safety issues, but instead they have chosen to file legally and factually groundless lawsuits."

"This is the first such city lawsuit to be heard and the first to be dismissed. As long as judges continue to apply the law and do not succumb to political pressure, we do not expect it to be the the last one to be properly rejected by the courts."


STURM, RUGER APPLAUDS DISMISSALS OF TWO MORE CITY LAWSUITS (BRIDGEPORT AND MIAMI)
Southport, Connecticut
December 13, 1999

Responding to dismissals of the lawsuits filed against the Company and others by the cities of Bridgeport, CT and Miami, FL, Sturm, Ruger Vice President and General Counsel Stephen L. Sanetti had this to say:

"I can do no better than to quote briefly from the two judges who carefully studied the issues presented in dismissing the two cases."

In dismissing the Bridgeport suit on Friday, December 12, 1999, Judge Robert McWeeny said:
'As a matter of law the plaintiffs lack standing to litigate these claims; thus, the court is without jurisdiction to hear this case. The plaintiffs have no statutory basis or common law basis to recoup their expenditures. They lack any statutory authorization to initiate such claims...They seek to regulate firearms in a manner that is preempted by State law...The plaintiffs have failed to present a claim that is cognizable by law.'

Echoing these sentiments in dismissing the Miami suit today, Judge Amy Dean said in her opinion:
'The Court dismisses the County's amended complaint because the county is not a proper party plaintiff to this action. Further, the county has failed to plead a cause of action for strict product liability, negligence, nuisance, constructive trust, or injunction under Florida law.'
'Further, the court concludes that, based on the nature of the county's claims and the manner in which the county has framed its complaint, the county cannot by amendment plead any set of facts which would support any cause of action against these defendants arising out of the criminal, suicidal, or accidental shootings of Miami-Dade citizens...(or overcome) the bar against cost recovery embodied in the remoteness doctrine and the prohibition against municipal cost recovery under common law.'

Sanetti concluded, "We are not the cities' enemy in the fight against violent crime and irresponsible firearms misuse. There are many ways to address the issues without resorting to wasting taxpayer money on legally baseless lawsuits urged by trial lawyers and special-interest groups."

"Both crimes and accidents with guns have dropped dramatically during the last decade to record low levels. With intelligent co-operation with law enforcement and mutual support of firearms safety procedures pioneered by the industry, we believe these trends will continue, regardless of the politically-motivated diversion of resources forced upon all parties by these needless lawsuits."
 
Ruger guy, those articles are nice but they don't change anything.

Of course Ruger would applaud the dismissal of such suits. The article did not say that other gun companies did not applaud the dismissal. After all, it's not just Ruger that was defending those actions.

I don't have the docket in front of me, but I'm certain that Ruger was sued along with all the other gun companies in those actions. No plaintiff's attorney worth his or her salt would fail to join each and every defendant possible, especially one with corporate deep pockets. Therefore, Ruger is doing nothing more to establish precedent than its co-defendants -- Beretta, Glock and anyone else you care to name (except S&W, of course).

The facts still remain:

1. Ruger has not renounced, nor apologized for, its advocacy of the high cap mag ban.

2. Ruger has not renounced, nor apologized for, its voluntary restriction (well before the 1994 Crime Bill) of high cap magazines and certain "evil" Mini-14s to the civilian population.

3. Ruger has not renounced, nor apologized, and continues to utilize its motto stating that arms are for sporting purposes.

Justin

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Justin T. Huang, Esq.
late of Kennett Square, Pennsylvania
 
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