Ruger SP-101 vs. SW 649

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EXPLORER

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I would like to hear non-political feedback from individuals who have carried/fired BOTH the SW 649 .357 and the Ruger spurless hammer 2.5" SP-101 .357. Thanks.
 
Have a 649 Bodyguard 357magnum, and its one of the best shooting guns I own. Matter of fact shoot the Q course today and cleared the course. The DA/SA feature is great feature. The SP101 is a good gun, but I personaly prefer the DA/SA and the smaller size of the 649 for concelablity.

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6mm-What's the heaviest load that the 649 can reasonably handle? Have you ever tried the Federal 180 gr. hard cast load? Thanks.
 
Non-political feedback? You'll hear it whether you want to or not on this end with all due respect.

If you already have one, fine. If you are going to buy one now, you are part of the problem and not the solution.

At this point in the game, anyone who buys a new S&W is simply more interested in their own selfish interests than in the future of the right to keep and bear arms for our children and grandchildren-----------pure and simple.

S&W cut our throats and the throats of their felllow maufacturers. I hope they go under and soon.



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"When guns are outlawed;I will be an outlaw."
 
"If you already have one, fine. If you are going to buy one now, you are part of the problem and not the solution. At this point in the game, anyone who buys a new S&W is simply more interested in their own selfish interests than in the future of the right to keep and bear arms for our children and grandchildren-----------pure and simple. S&W cut our throats and the throats of their felllow maufacturers. I hope they go under and soon."
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Explorer, it's people like this who are assuring that generations of new shooters will never enjoy the refinement that is a Smith revolver. Bankrupting S&W is cutting your nose off to spite your face. They currently make the best revolvers you can buy, and some darn good automatics, too, and we will all suffer their loss.
Explorer, don't let anybody bully you out of purchasing the finest weapon you can to protect your "children and grandchildren". Get one while you still can.
I have owned both a 638 S&W and an SP101, and they are both superb guns. The Ruger was more akin to a K-frame in shootability. The Smith gets the nod for concealment and "sweetness" in its action. You won't go wrong with either.
 
EXPLORER,

Heavyest load has been 158's and it shoots them fine, but it loves 125 gr loads.

To everyone one else trying to make this political, this member was trying to ask a simple question and all you hot heads have to do is make any statement in to a political football field. When Ruger sold us out a few years ago , no one made a big deal about it. I agree that S&W has F*** up'd and don't get me wrong, I won't be buying a new one, but there are plenty of pre-agreement S&W still out there.
S&W is currently up for sale hopefully the new owners will see the light!!!

R.I.P S&W RUGER COLT (the Sellouts)

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With the utmost in due respect, supporting traitors like *&* is assuring that only the Military and Police will be privy to firearms.

Come on fellas, this is America. We have people called entrepreneurs (sp?). Does anyone think that if *&* goes under as I hope that they do, that no one else will come in and fill the need?

I can't be silent on this one.

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"When guns are outlawed;I will be an outlaw."
 
I bought a SMITH & WESSON 642 recently. I didn't give a d*mn when it was made. I bought a quality product that I wanted and needed at a price that I could afford. Personally I think these deathwishers to SMITH & WESSON are doing guncontrol's bidding way better than HCL or VPC ever could. It seems really unwise to want to destroy a domestic civillian arms manufacturer.

Thanks to 6mm for pointing out Ruger's treachery. I can't think of anything more hypocritical than a SMITH & WESSON boycotter and a Ruger supporter.

[This message has been edited by cuerno de chivo (edited August 18, 2000).]
 
Why don't you guys go ahead and vote for Gore, give to HCI and the DNC? *&* is a bad apple and they don't care about you. *&* is laughing all the way to the bank.

This typifies the typical selfish mentality in our Nation today. The heck with principle and future generations. What about MY needs?

If the shoe fits, wear it.
 
We are darned of we do and darned if we don't in the *&* case. Don't forget they are not innocent in this. *&* colluded from the start in secret. They are part of the group that wants to restrict our RKBA not an innocent by-stander.

They did this in the hopes of hurting all other manufacturers not just the public. NOT ostracizing them will only send a message to the rest of the industry that we the people don't count.

I'll take a Ruger pistol with smithing any day over a *&*. I know for a fact that a GP 100 was driven over by a chevy full-sized 4X4 with no adverse effects. Try that with a *&*.

Yes, Ruger fumbled on the mag issue but they came back in the fourth quarter and intercepted for a touch down.

Buying a new *&* tells me that one is interested only in themselves instead of their fellow shooters. We are better off in the long run without your support.

This isn't 1960 and you can't have it both ways anymore. Stand for something or you will fall for anything.

Again, I do not hate anyone on this forum and I am not perfect. I am not trying to start a war but I challenge all concerned to really research the *&* deal via the WSJ online and if you can walk away from this debate unchanged then so be it. When you see how dastardly both Schultz and *&* have behaved in this whole ordeal, I belive you will be changed.

Thanks for reading this and have a great weekend.
 
If I am the "one" that you are referring to, thank you. I wear the badge with pride.

I know some of you don't care one way or the other as long as your needs are met. However, if there is one undecided person who stumbles on this thread that changes their mind about *&* based upon my willingness to be perceived as a jerk by you and others,then the cost is justified.

I again will stress that I mean no harm to anyone who disagrees with me. I rest my case

Vigilant Eternally,

WB

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"When guns are outlawed;I will be an outlaw."

[This message has been edited by Will Beararms (edited August 18, 2000).]
 
While I don't find myself crying for a boycott or even wishing for the demise of Smith and Wesson, I must admit to have great sympathy for Will's argument. I guess that means there is more than "one in every crowd". I am not a boycotter, just one seriously turned-off customer. It's just a matter of free enterprise. If Smith and Wesson survives I suspect they will have to do it on someone's nickel other than mine. I'm libertarian enough to let others decide for themselves what they will do but Smith and Wesson needlessly and stupidly imperiled a loyal customer base of millions which has lasted for over a century and a half. I'm not sure such stupidity at the top deserves to survive. At the very least the CEO should acknowledge his error and step down as a beginning effort at damage control and remedy. That is not likely from someone who claimed on the SW website that the agreement does not really mean what it clearly says it means. Another "it depends on what the definition of 'is' is" argument. A pity, but they've lost me. What you do is up to you.

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Lazarus
 
What's domestic about S&W? They have a plant here and employ a few americans but the money goes to the British owners.

That said, I would have no qualms about buying a pre-agreement S&W, older will get you better machining and quality control too.

Of the two choices, my vote used 649.

I will not support a company that supports the total ban of all firearms for other than law enforcement and military.

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Sam I am, grn egs n packin

Nikita Khrushchev predicted confidently in a speech in Bucharest, Rumania on June 19, 1962 that: " The United States will eventually fly the Communist Red Flag...the American people will hoist it themselves."

[This message has been edited by C.R.Sam (edited August 18, 2000).]
 
Anybody have any more good answers for EXPLORER's handgun question other than 6mm? You know, the type of answer that doesn't include handgun company answers, which is the type of answer he was not looking for?
 
Sure, Mal. Explorer, I have not owned a 649 but have owned two 640 Centennial versions of the small .357. I currently have the Ruger SP101. Personal opinion is that the Smith is a very little bit more compact, especially with the boot grip instead of the combat grip, and probably has a better fit and finish. The Ruger, in my opinion, should hold up better over the long haul. One of my Smiths developed a troubling looseness in the cylinder after way, way too few rounds of fairly mild .357 loads. The Ruger has an extremely strong lockup front and rear. I felt the triggers were a wash, the Smith being lighter but the Ruger feeling smoother. The Smiths are probably a tad easier to conceal if that is your wish. The Ruger is easier to get at the "innards". Overall, I like the Ruger better. They're both very good.

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Lazarus
 
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