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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by panzerfuehrer:
You don't mention whether you have tried different ammo, and whether the performance is poor with all types of ammo, and how you define poor.
I own a P85, and it is very reliable, but the only thing it does not seem to like are CCI Blazers. On the other hand, it is really a combat weapon, and 21 yds is stretching it a bit for a fixed sight piece.
Give a bit more info, and maybe I can be a bit more specific.

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I have tried cci, winchester,some reloads purchased at a gun show,(lead,lite loads)
Its shooting approx. 10inch spread at 21
yards.I just feel the guns is capable of more
then this although I know it isnt a target
weapon.I have tried it from a bench rest
get same results.
thanks for the help:


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I own a Ruger p85,while I consider this a very reliable gun, at 21 yards accuracy is
poor.Does anyone have any suggestions to
improve the Ruger, loads, etc. Can anyone
recommend a gunsmith who can/will do minor
mods to the Ruger;
thanks

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You don't mention whether you have tried different ammo, and whether the performance is poor with all types of ammo, and how you define poor.
I own a P85, and it is very reliable, but the only thing it does not seem to like are CCI Blazers. On the other hand, it is really a combat weapon, and 21 yds is stretching it a bit for a fixed sight piece.
Give a bit more info, and maybe I can be a bit more specific.


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Panzerführer

Die Wahrheit ist eine Perle. Werfen sie nicht vor die Säue.
 
Try remmington UMC and Sellier and Bellot
Both these are on the hot side and may give you better accuracy.

UMC is usually on sale around me for 7.98 box or 75.00 a case normal price.
 
Call Ruger and explain your problem. I am sure they will address it for you. My P85 MKII was similar and they laser ssighted it for me. The cost? Zero. Regards, Richard.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Richard:
Call Ruger and explain your problem. I am sure they will address it for you. My P85 MKII was similar and they laser ssighted it for me. The cost? Zero. Regards, Richard.[/quote]

Thanks Richard I will give that a try, I have had good luck with Ruger customer service in the past however dident know if they could help with this.Anyway will contact them today.

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My suggestion: try heavier bullets not hotter ones.

The ruger is reliable because it is a loose and sloppy gun even when brand new. With your gun unloaded!, put your finger on the end of the barrel while holding the grip firmly with the other hand. Now wiggle your finger on the barrel. You will see that there is not only slop between the barrel and the slide but also between the slide and the frame. This is just the opposite of what you need to get good accuracy out to the 21 yard range.

On the realistic side 21 yards is 63 feet! That is over a six story building laying on its side. That is a pretty long pistol shot for a four inch barrel. I haven't heard of any ruger auto pistols ever winning any awards for their inherant accuracy but they are known for longevity and ruggedness. I like Ruger but the big loose blocky non cocked and locked auto pistols just don't do it for me. After all, what good is reliability without accuracy? Ruger revolvers are another story entirely. peas -ddt
 
I agree with DDT. When I packed a Colt Trooper with WW Silvertips, I thought they were the greatest load to hit the face of the Earth, at least in a .357 Colt.
Used them in my P85 later because I had faith in the bullet, and it does what it should, but accuracy was lacking in 9mm. Started experimenting and settled on WW 147 JHP subsonics - heavier, slower bullet, and it does just fine, with improved accuracy as a bonus. I now carry them exclusively.
It is also possible that you have an early P85. The model did have some problems early on.
One last thing that helped me immensely was switching grips. Got rid of the stocks, and went with Hogue wraparounds w/ fingergrooves. To my hand, it feels more natural, and therefore more controllable.
Calling Ruger is also an option, but if it were me, I would try the subsonics and Hogue if you have not already done so.


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Panzerführer

Die Wahrheit ist eine Perle. Werfen sie nicht vor die Säue.
 
Just noticed, I made a mistake in my post
it should be 15 yards,With the Ruger I shoot
at 7 and 15, but at 15 it is poor.I have seen
Ruger p85's do better then this and yes I know they are not target guns.


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Famous man talked about hanging together.......
I don't like you talking trash though about my baby being sloppy though. :D

I definitely agree with the lighter load, heavier bullet - a lesson I learned when competition shooting with muzzleloaders is use minimum powder necessary to get the chunk of lead downrange. Best common analogy I can think of is driving car on interstate on windy day - if you slow down, you are not as affected by the wind trying to blow you in a different direction than where you want to go.


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Panzerführer

Die Wahrheit ist eine Perle. Werfen sie nicht vor die Säue.
 
Yes, I am a gun snob with alot to learn but it is admitedly difficult to offer opinions about firearms, cars, beer etc. without stepping on someones brand loyalty. I love many guns that are thought to be and may be cr*p but Hey, I say if it shoots safely and you enjoy shooting it I'm happy. And yes, I choose to hang together rather than seperately. peas -ddt
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ddt4free:
Yes, I am a gun snob with alot to learn but it is admitedly difficult to offer opinions about firearms, cars, beer etc. without stepping on someones brand loyalty. I love many guns that are thought to be and may be cr*p but Hey, I say if it shoots safely and you enjoy shooting it I'm happy. And yes, I choose to hang together rather than seperately. peas -ddt[/quote]

ddt; always like to hear opinions even from
"gun snobs" after 50 years of shooting I can
still learn, however we also want to have new
shooters come in and learn, even if they choose an inexpensive gun.We need them.!!




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I sorta agree with DDT and sorta not. I have a Ruger P89 which has very little play between slide and frame and the barrel moves not at all. I have noticed the same movement in many guns, sometimes more and sometimes less even among copies of the same brand and model. Smith and Wessons often have quite a bit of play and Glocks seem to have quite a lot. My P89 has a little side to side play and NO up and down play. I have a P95 and P97 and they are both extremely well fitted. I, too, have a lot to learn but it is no secret that pistol used for bullseye shooting which is meticulously fitted is not as "reliable" under many conditions as a defense gun. I have noted, to be fair, very little "slop" in such pistols as Sigs of HK P7s, or Browning Hi-Powers. I suspect it is true that the "lesser" tier of good pistols might have a bit more inconsistency in that regard. The pedestrian qualities of the Ruger pistols that some folks don't like are exactly the qualities about them that I do like. They are "everyman's" gun, the Model T of pistols. They are tools which work and work and keep on working. They reflect qualities and virtues that I wish more of us in this country, me included, had.

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Lazarus
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Laz:
I sorta agree with DDT and sorta not. I have a Ruger P89 which has very little play between slide and frame and the barrel moves not at all. I have noticed the same movement in many guns, sometimes more and sometimes less even among copies of the same brand and model. Smith and Wessons often have quite a bit of play and Glocks seem to have quite a lot. My P89 has a little side to side play and NO up and down play. I have a P95 and P97 and they are both extremely well fitted. I, too, have a lot to learn but it is no secret that pistol used for bullseye shooting which is meticulously fitted is not as "reliable" under many conditions as a defense gun. I have noted, to be fair, very little "slop" in such pistols as Sigs of HK P7s, or Browning Hi-Powers. I suspect it is true that the "lesser" tier of good pistols might have a bit more inconsistency in that regard. The pedestrian qualities of the Ruger pistols that some folks don't like are exactly the qualities about them that I do like. They are "everyman's" gun, the Model T of pistols. They are tools which work and work and keep on working. They reflect qualities and virtues that I wish more of us in this country, me included, had.
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Very good!!!

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With regard to looseness...

One thing to remember is that a number of the polymer-framed guns often have sloppy slide to frame fit, but good barrel to slide fit. This is true of the Glocks, for example, yet their accuracy can be quite good.

They just don't perform well out of a Ransom Rest.

If the Ruger's barrel to slide fit is bad, then accuracy will be bad. Slide to frame fit may not necessarily matter.

Interestingly, the new P-95s and P-97s are pretty tight all the way around, and pretty accurate, too. (They changed the barrel-frame lockup design on the P97, and the P95 was already improved over the other P-frame guns.)
 
After reading the information given about Ruger 9mm’s, I realize how little I know about firearms. I’m so confused!!!!!
loose and sloppy gun…
sloppy slide to frame fit, but good barrel to slide fit…
Uggghhh….Where’s a trainer when I need one?

I shoot both my P89 and P95 without any major problems. I shoot the 9mm’s one handed at 50 feet. The groups could be better, but these are guns designed for self-defense, not target competitions.

You know…I wish I were rich. I would pay good money to go shooting or be trained with some of the members on TFL. I’m trying to learn all I can, but there sure is a lot to know and understand. I’ll just keep reading and trying to decipher as I go... ;)


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My father has two of the Ruger P series guns, one in 9 one in .45, and he seems to be incredibly accurate with them, while I am much less accurate with it.. however, when he breaks out the S&W Model 19 revolver, we are about equal... and with my Beretta, I am much better than he... Moral of the story? Some guns are more accurate in the hands of one, then the other... I don't pretend to know why. And I am not saying that is the ONLY or even MAIN factor in accuracy, but nonetheless something to consider.
What are the P-Series guns he has Frank? I remember the calibers, but that's all... help me out!
-Aaron
 
I have a Tokarev chambered for 9 mm. When I got the gun, the accuracy was terrible so I replace the fixed sights with adjustable ones but it didn't really improve the accuracy. At this point, seeing as how I only paid 70.00 dollars for it, I decided that I had nothing to lose and decided to do a little "supertuning". The slide to frame, and barrel to bushing fit was terrible. So I swaged the barrel bushing to remove the slop from it and compressed the slide to give a tighter fit to the frame. I'm very happy with it's accuracy and I haven't had any reliability problems. If you decide to do this, just don't get carried away. There has to be some looseness for the gun to function.
 
I can back up Walt's opinion on looseness. I have an H & K USP that has a loose slide to frame fit yet is an incredibly accurate shooter.
 
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