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Ruger 10/22 vs. Remington 597
- Thread starter Skorzeny
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I havent used a 10/22, but I do have a Rem 597 and love the gun. All of my comparisions are done from what I have heard about 10/22s from others, so you might want to go down to Walmart and compare them yourself.
Magazine:
10/22: $8 metal (?) 10 shot Rotary with regular sized mags for huge amounts of money. You have to pivot the mag to lock it in. Slick willy mag is flush fit
597: $8 double stack, single feed 10 shot mag, plastic body and follower. No regular cap magazines. Mags drop free when the button is moved forward with your right index finger. To insert, you just push straight up, no pivoting. Magazine floor plate extends down about 1/4 to 1/3", easy to remove with your fingers if it wont drop free.
Bolt release after bolt holdback engaged:
10/22: Press a button and pull back bolt handle to release (IIRC, might be wrong) on a fresh magazine.
597: Pull back bolt handle on a fresh magazine.
Stock:
10/22: Cheap looking wood (IMHO), synthetic on higher priced models, craploads of aftermarket stocks.
597: Base model has a grey synthetic stock, higher models also have synthetic except the most expensive, which has a lamenated (spelling?) wood stock. Not many aftermarket stocks (If any).
Sights:
10/22: Dont know.
597: Iron sights mounted on the barrel, line up the dots, all adjustments to the rear sight, as with all Remington rifle sights. Has a 3/8" dovetail for mounting BB gun/.22 rifle scopes, and 3 tapped holes (with plugs) for a Weaver-style sight base.
Barrel:
10/22: No recessed crown on base model
597: Recessed crown on base model. Shoots great with Remington Golden Bullets, but I have feeding problems about once every 30 shots, probably due to my GF loading the mags while staring at the HK guy's toys or drooling over the guy with the .338 Win Mag at the other end of the line.
Overall, I love the 597. The only downside is finding a sight base for it, CTD is about the only supplier of it, unless you order direct from Remington. And, my GF thinks a .22lr is only good for popping a squirrel when the neighbors are home, otherwise, she uses her Ar15, so she gets kinda tired of sitting at the range while I practice with it.
Kharn
Magazine:
10/22: $8 metal (?) 10 shot Rotary with regular sized mags for huge amounts of money. You have to pivot the mag to lock it in. Slick willy mag is flush fit
597: $8 double stack, single feed 10 shot mag, plastic body and follower. No regular cap magazines. Mags drop free when the button is moved forward with your right index finger. To insert, you just push straight up, no pivoting. Magazine floor plate extends down about 1/4 to 1/3", easy to remove with your fingers if it wont drop free.
Bolt release after bolt holdback engaged:
10/22: Press a button and pull back bolt handle to release (IIRC, might be wrong) on a fresh magazine.
597: Pull back bolt handle on a fresh magazine.
Stock:
10/22: Cheap looking wood (IMHO), synthetic on higher priced models, craploads of aftermarket stocks.
597: Base model has a grey synthetic stock, higher models also have synthetic except the most expensive, which has a lamenated (spelling?) wood stock. Not many aftermarket stocks (If any).
Sights:
10/22: Dont know.
597: Iron sights mounted on the barrel, line up the dots, all adjustments to the rear sight, as with all Remington rifle sights. Has a 3/8" dovetail for mounting BB gun/.22 rifle scopes, and 3 tapped holes (with plugs) for a Weaver-style sight base.
Barrel:
10/22: No recessed crown on base model
597: Recessed crown on base model. Shoots great with Remington Golden Bullets, but I have feeding problems about once every 30 shots, probably due to my GF loading the mags while staring at the HK guy's toys or drooling over the guy with the .338 Win Mag at the other end of the line.
Overall, I love the 597. The only downside is finding a sight base for it, CTD is about the only supplier of it, unless you order direct from Remington. And, my GF thinks a .22lr is only good for popping a squirrel when the neighbors are home, otherwise, she uses her Ar15, so she gets kinda tired of sitting at the range while I practice with it.
Kharn
Clearly there's an entire aftermarket dedicated to the 10/22. If you're looking to customize, this is the way to go. Also, there're millions of high-cap mags around (but you wouldn't believe what people want for them!).
The 597's stock fits the average adult better out of the box.
They're both really nice. Right out of the box, my experience has been that the 597 is more accurate than the 10/22, but that could vary gun-to-gun, ammo-to-ammo.
FWIW, I no longer have a 10/22, but I'm keeping the 597. I like it better than the Ruger.
The 597's stock fits the average adult better out of the box.
They're both really nice. Right out of the box, my experience has been that the 597 is more accurate than the 10/22, but that could vary gun-to-gun, ammo-to-ammo.
FWIW, I no longer have a 10/22, but I'm keeping the 597. I like it better than the Ruger.
hksigwalther
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The magazine of the 10/22 does not require it to be pivotted. The spring loaded plunger at the rear that engages the mag stud will retract as the mag is inserted. When the flush magazine release is depressed, you pull the mag out. The mag can fall out by itself but your finger will be in the way. If you install an extended mag release, it is possible to drop the mag using only gravity.
The semi-auto bolt release for the 10/22 is only a 15 minute Dremel tool grind away.
The stock is geared for smaller people and is very basic. Occassionally, you will find one with an incredibly pretty grain pattern.
The stock open sights are a folding rear with a blade that can be adjusted up or down held by two screws. The original, IIRC, had one notch and a white triangle to denote center. The more current models have a blade that has two notches, one wider than the other, and a diamond instead of a triangle. The notches are opposite of each other and so if you want to use the other, you will have to take the blad eout and flip it. The front sight is dovetailed to the muzzle band. Both sights are drift adjustable for windage. The rifles come with a scope rail that attaches to the aluminum receiver. It is a simple dovetail type found on many .22 rifles.
Note, however, that since the receiver is alluminum, the treads for the scope rail bolts can be easily stripped.
The 10/22 has acquired a huge following and aftermarket manufacturers have capitalized on this. There is easily 100 times the amount of aftermarket parts and accessories for the 10/22 than for any other .22 rifle. If you don't like the stock, you can get anything from a classic looking wood one to a lightweight plastic model with an integral bi-pod to a custom all metal rail-gun looking one. The stock barrel of the 10/22 is okay and will occasionally go to 2 MOA with good loads. There are tens of aftermarket barrels out there that will bring you don't below 1 MOA if you want.
In short, there is a huge amount of things you can do to a 10/22 to customize it to your taste with the aftermarket parts available. You can even build your own without even using one Ruger part, including the receiver.
I don't have, or have ever shot, a 597. I'm sure it is a good rifle also. Just getting a word in from someone who does own a few 10/22s.
Having said that, however, I am sworn off of Rugers after reading about the magazine capacity deal. I'm moving onto bigger and better things now - Anschütz.
The semi-auto bolt release for the 10/22 is only a 15 minute Dremel tool grind away.
The stock is geared for smaller people and is very basic. Occassionally, you will find one with an incredibly pretty grain pattern.
The stock open sights are a folding rear with a blade that can be adjusted up or down held by two screws. The original, IIRC, had one notch and a white triangle to denote center. The more current models have a blade that has two notches, one wider than the other, and a diamond instead of a triangle. The notches are opposite of each other and so if you want to use the other, you will have to take the blad eout and flip it. The front sight is dovetailed to the muzzle band. Both sights are drift adjustable for windage. The rifles come with a scope rail that attaches to the aluminum receiver. It is a simple dovetail type found on many .22 rifles.
Note, however, that since the receiver is alluminum, the treads for the scope rail bolts can be easily stripped.
The 10/22 has acquired a huge following and aftermarket manufacturers have capitalized on this. There is easily 100 times the amount of aftermarket parts and accessories for the 10/22 than for any other .22 rifle. If you don't like the stock, you can get anything from a classic looking wood one to a lightweight plastic model with an integral bi-pod to a custom all metal rail-gun looking one. The stock barrel of the 10/22 is okay and will occasionally go to 2 MOA with good loads. There are tens of aftermarket barrels out there that will bring you don't below 1 MOA if you want.
In short, there is a huge amount of things you can do to a 10/22 to customize it to your taste with the aftermarket parts available. You can even build your own without even using one Ruger part, including the receiver.
I don't have, or have ever shot, a 597. I'm sure it is a good rifle also. Just getting a word in from someone who does own a few 10/22s.
Having said that, however, I am sworn off of Rugers after reading about the magazine capacity deal. I'm moving onto bigger and better things now - Anschütz.
A freind of mine has a standard synthetic stock 597 bought about a year ago. It is a very accurate gun but also relatively complicated to disassemble and clean. He has broken or lost many small parts while disassembling the gun for cleaning. Just recently we were at the range and the extractor broke on him. He has yet to fix it. I have a a standard stainless/wood 10/22 that has easily 250 rounds more through it than his 597 and I havent had a single problem yet. As far as the target models go, i cant see them being any different functionally aside from a heavy barrel. For simplicity and reliability, get the 10/22. If you feel the need for more accuracy there are TONS of parts available to trick it out to your hearts content.
hksigwalther
New member
1: the 10/22 is pretty sraight forward. A minor hurdle is to (like all firearms and anything else mechanical) memorize how the parts come apart, work with one another, and reassemble. After doing it a couple of times it's no biggy. The only sticking point is the bolt/bolt handle assembly. The handle sits in a cutout on top of the bolt held against the bottom portion of the top of the receiver. Getting the bolt and bolt handle out is not too big of a chore. Getting the bolt handle back into the boltwhile inserting both back into the receiver, however, is quite a bit of a chore. I usually take these out of the receiver about every 20K rounds. No problems concerning dirt buildup to the point of jamming inbetween.
A great benefit from disassembling the gun is that you'll will become very comfortable in knowing how to put new and improved aftermarket parts into it.
3: I've got a little over 40K though my first 10/22 without any broken parts. I take that back, I had placed a sling swivel stud on the forearm in front of the barrel ring. I had attempted to slide the ring past the stud the first time by spreading the ring a little to clear the stud. Since the ring is a cast piece, it didn't take to being spread to much and broke. Replaced it with another ring from one of the other built up 10/22s that didn't require it.
IMO, most, at least moderate grade, .22 rifles out there should be able to handle tens of thousands of rounds without failure if they get past any feeding or functioning problems. The .22lr is not that powerful a round to cause serious wear.
4: The trigger on a stock 10/22 is not very good. Almost always heavy and creepy (unless you get a 10/22T I hear). You can actually improve it considerably yourself with the help of a Dremel-type tool or some sandpaper. Or you can just let someone else do the work and buy the parts.
To go off a little bit, The 10/22 magnum I got had the absolutely worst trigger of any gun I have ever purchased. I had initially thought it was in the 12# range but with the help of someone's gage found it to actually be 15#. Oh well, I was going to work on the trigger anyway. It's down to 3# now.
A great benefit from disassembling the gun is that you'll will become very comfortable in knowing how to put new and improved aftermarket parts into it.
3: I've got a little over 40K though my first 10/22 without any broken parts. I take that back, I had placed a sling swivel stud on the forearm in front of the barrel ring. I had attempted to slide the ring past the stud the first time by spreading the ring a little to clear the stud. Since the ring is a cast piece, it didn't take to being spread to much and broke. Replaced it with another ring from one of the other built up 10/22s that didn't require it.
IMO, most, at least moderate grade, .22 rifles out there should be able to handle tens of thousands of rounds without failure if they get past any feeding or functioning problems. The .22lr is not that powerful a round to cause serious wear.
4: The trigger on a stock 10/22 is not very good. Almost always heavy and creepy (unless you get a 10/22T I hear). You can actually improve it considerably yourself with the help of a Dremel-type tool or some sandpaper. Or you can just let someone else do the work and buy the parts.
To go off a little bit, The 10/22 magnum I got had the absolutely worst trigger of any gun I have ever purchased. I had initially thought it was in the 12# range but with the help of someone's gage found it to actually be 15#. Oh well, I was going to work on the trigger anyway. It's down to 3# now.
VictorLouis
New member
Pro Ruger:
Unlimited aftermarket parts/accessories
Gunsmiths intimately familiar with it
Ruger customer service to back it
Extremely reliable
Relative easy to field-strip
Wide 'target style' trigger
Mags with over 10rd capacity available
Con Ruger:
Stock must be modified/replaced(for many)
No last-shot bolt hold-open
Sock mag a !@#%$ to disassemble to clean
Scope rail must be added to gun
Pro Remington:
Fully proportioned rifle stock
Scope rail standard
Has last-shot hold-open
Drop-free mags easier to load/unload
Mags a breeze to disassemble
Con Remington:
Aftermarket parts or support???
Thin-blade plastic trigger can irritate
AFAIK, cannot work on/alter trigger action
Field-stripping NOT so simple
Rifle has cheaper 'BB gun' feel/appearance
I sold my Remington, and kept my 10/22.
Unlimited aftermarket parts/accessories
Gunsmiths intimately familiar with it
Ruger customer service to back it
Extremely reliable
Relative easy to field-strip
Wide 'target style' trigger
Mags with over 10rd capacity available
Con Ruger:
Stock must be modified/replaced(for many)
No last-shot bolt hold-open
Sock mag a !@#%$ to disassemble to clean
Scope rail must be added to gun
Pro Remington:
Fully proportioned rifle stock
Scope rail standard
Has last-shot hold-open
Drop-free mags easier to load/unload
Mags a breeze to disassemble
Con Remington:
Aftermarket parts or support???
Thin-blade plastic trigger can irritate
AFAIK, cannot work on/alter trigger action
Field-stripping NOT so simple
Rifle has cheaper 'BB gun' feel/appearance
I sold my Remington, and kept my 10/22.