Rudy Guiliani THE hero of 9/11?

9mmsnoopy

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Thats what the cover of this weeks Newsweek magazine proclaims.

I think it would be a big stretch to call him A hero of 9/11, much less THE hero. I could be wrong, but i dont remember him rushing into any flaming buildings nor storming the cockpit of a highjacked aircraft.

Seems like an insult to those who truly were the heroes, i guess the Newsweek folks have found thier prefered presidential candidate.
 
I suppose keeping it together - and he was at risk in the crash of the WTC later - counts. I haven't seen much criticism of the way he handled his end of the crisis in NYC.

By the same vein, GWB sat there with his thumb up his butt and then scuttled around the country. Shall we go own about George's later brillant actions in the WOT?

I'm not a big Rudy fan but he did his job on that day.
 
"I'm not a big Rudy fan but he did his job on that day."

+1

I can't fault the man in that regard. It's his pre-911 actions that I have issues with, but I won't go there.
 
I too was there. I lost friends, and I lost family. I will never forget.
I don't care what he runs for, Rudy has my vote. Thank God he was there when we needed his kind of leadership.
I can't help but remember that while Rudy was crawling around in the midst of the destruction at ground zero, another of our leaders was flying around at 40,000 feet in Air Force One looking for a safe place to land.
I'll take Mr. Guiliani's guts and leadership any day. Lead, follow, or get the ++++ out of the way.
I need say nothing more.
 
Gulliani did a great job on 9/11 and the days following. He was at the collapes and trapped briefly underground by it. Like many of the heros that day when the towers were hit he went towards them, not away.

The rescue efforts leading to the collapse and the recovery efforts afterwards were in part driven by his "leadrership".

I did not loose family that day, they made it out. I do have relatives and friends who were NYPD that went to the scene. I was on Long Island.

As good a job as Rudy did I am not a fan of him for President. Sorry, but he just does NOT stand up for my second ammendment rights and that's a fact.

If it came down to him or Hillary I would vote for him as the lesser of two evils. Hillary in charge with a Dem House and Senate would be a distater for a generation. Several leftist justices could step down from the SCOTUS and be replaced easily with equally bad or worse justices. Too much is at stake.
 
He seems to be pro illegal alien and anti gun as of late. Of course he had no such nonsense when he was young and starting out. Must have been nice huh?
 
I'm not a big Rudy fan but he did his job on that day.

Absolutely! He really seemed to have that situation in hand that day.
That being said, even a broken watch is right twice a day. He's a RINO and a consumate gun grabber.
President? Spare me.
 
My point isnt that he didnt do his job that day, by all accounts he did it and did it well(CERTAINLY better than our local "leaders" handled hurricane Rita), but to call him THE hero of 9/11 seems like a bit much, thats all i'm saying.

If i were him, i wouldnt feel comfortable with them saying that at all, and who knows, maybe he doesnt.

Still though, his pro-illegal and anti-guns viewpoints wont earn him my vote.
 
Rudy Guiliani's "Heroisim" is just the unfortunate result of his incompetence and political pandering by appointing his cronies to power.

The book Grand Illusion: The Untold Story of Rudy Giuliani and 9/11 does a very good job of describing the failures that were a result of HIS actions.

If anything, he should be charged with negligent homicide for his multiple failures. Many people DID die because of his inaction in several areas..

Locating his emergency management center in WTC-7 because he wanted it to be within walking distance of City Hall. After the 93 bombing it was plain as day that putting it there was a bad idea. There was no backup-site.

Police and firefighter radios were unreliable and horribly out of date. Attempts were made to moderize the communications, however the new radios were even worse (Does anyone field test things anymore???) in terms of reliability. Thus they defaulted back to the old system.

The whole "air quality" at Ground Zero fiasco.

Rudy Guiliani is an imcompitent failure and his incompetence being mistaken as "heroic" is simply disturbing.
 
If Guilliani is a hero, then his buddie Bernard Kerik is mother teresa.. He is also a party line jumper, he dumped Pataki for Mario Cuomo as governor, he can not be trusted.
 
Amazing what constitutes a "Hero" in the eyes of the media. Rudy had to run like everyone else when the towers collapsed. He did not run into the buildings like others to save folks.

There was video of him running away from the collapse with his entourage of "Heroes" and actually having to cover his mouth to avoid inhaling dust.

He is a nasty person, most who have dealings with him will tell you that. I know too many NYPD and FDNY folks who have said the same.

He also removed the few carry permits that "Civilians" had in NYC. Most were for folks who had businesses and carried to protect their goods/money. He did this quietly, not renewing permits when they expired. He is blatantly anti gun, his actions prove this out. Anyone who thinks he is our friend is a fool.

He is highly intelligent, shrewd and will stab you in the back and make you think he is your friend. The most dangerous type of politician.
 
I would say that the people who stormed the cockpit on 93, and all those people who sacrificed to help others get out of the towers are the real heroes.

Rudy Guiliani may have done good but I wouldn't say he is a hero.
 
I guess I also missed the part where he ran into a burning building and did not come out.:confused:

The word hero is thrown around too easily these days. Like so many other words.:barf:
 
History will be the judge

I personally think that Rudy was in with the perpetrators of 9-11. Along with Marvin
Bush, head of the security company that wired the towers for "security" upgrades. Now, as the NY fire fighters has shunned him, more people will come forward, so this case isn't over yet, just like Border case, more evidence will come forward to prove this. The Queen of England only Knights people that serve the interests of England's agenda. They sold the steel to China before any investigation was started. Some thing smells fishy to me.
 
Firefighters' Union Shuns Giuliani

The Firefighters' Union is holding a bipartisan election forum on March 14, 2007. They have invited several presidential candidates, but not Rudy Giuliani. Here is an excerpt of a statement from the firefighters:

"His actions post 9/11 rise to such an offensive and personal attack on our brother and sisterhood — and directly on our union — that the IAFF does not feel Rudy Giuliani deserves an audience of IAFF leaders and members at our own Presidential Forum.

The disrespect that he exhibited to our 343 fallen FDNY brothers, their families and our New York City IAFF leadership in the wake of that tragic day has not been forgiven or forgotten.

In November 2001, our members were continuing the painful, but necessary, task of searching Ground Zero for the remains of our fallen brothers and the thousands of innocent citizens that were killed, because precious few of those who died in the terrorist attacks had been recovered at that point.

Prior to November 2001, 101 bodies or remains of fire fighters had been recovered. And those on the horrible pile at Ground Zero believed they had just found a spot in the rubble where they would find countless more that could be given proper burial.

Nevertheless, Giuliani, with the full support of his Fire Commissioner Thomas Von Essen, decided on November 2, 2001, to sharply reduce the number of those who could search for remains at any one time. There had been as many as 300 fire fighters at a time involved in search and recovery, but Giuliani cut that number to no more than 25 who could be there at once.

In conjunction with the cut in fire fighters allowed to search, Giuliani also made a conscious decision to institute a "scoop-and-dump" operation to expedite the clean-up of Ground Zero in lieu of the more time-consuming, but respectful, process of removing debris piece by piece in hope of uncovering more remains.

Mayor Giuliani's actions meant that fire fighters and citizens who perished would either remain buried at Ground Zero forever, with no closure for families, or be removed like garbage and deposited at the Fresh Kills Landfill.

Our Local presidents at the time attempted to meet with the Mayor to stop this despicable treatment of those who perished, but he refused to even see them face-to-face.

The scoop-and-dump continued. And when hundreds of family members of the fallen joined with our affiliate leadership and members to protest Giuliani's decision, he ordered senior officers of the New York Police Department to arrest 15 of our FDNY brothers, including a number of local elected IAFF leaders.

Giuliani modified his policy after the protest because public opinion was so strongly with our members. Ultimately, he was forced to put the fire fighters back on the pile. Our protests were later proven justified as more bodies were ultimately recovered and those families given a chance for some closure and a decent burial.

Giuliani argued that the change was for our own safety, but his argument was empty and without substance. Fire fighters had been on that pile since minutes after the twin towers fell — why all of a sudden, after nearly two months working on the pile, was Giuliani concerned about fire fighter safety?

In our view, he wasn't really concerned. The fact is that the Mayor's switch to a scoop-and-dump coincided with the final removal of tens of millions of dollars of gold, silver and other assets of the Bank of Nova Scotia that were buried beneath what was once the towers. Once the money was out, Giuliani sided with the developers that opposed a lengthy recovery effort, and ordered the scoop-and-dump operation so they could proceed with redevelopment."

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