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STLRN

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I went to a local pawn/gun shop. They had what appeared to be a preban AK folder, the taged priced looked pretty good so I asked to see it. Well it was marked MAK-90, I asked the owner of the shop, "I thought MAK-90 meant this was a post ban, or atleast no folding stock. The owners wife, I guess, went off on me. "We are a law abiding bussiness, and that is a legal weapon and so on." I tried to explain, that I personally don't care about the legality of the weapon, however, because of the doubt I wouldn't buy it and they should look into the legality of the items for sale, because I wouldn't be the one that could loose my job or livelyhood for selling something that the stupid law outlawed. They just seem so stuck into the "It's legal because we have a FFL and say its legal."

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God truly fights on the side with the best artillery
 
At gun shops or places where guns are for sale, you run into all kinds of salesman.
There is one place in Omaha,(supposedly the largest in the state)where the salesman are the rudest bunch of goobers you can find.
Unless you look like you can afford to buy lots of stuff that day, they won't even bother to come talk to you.
Then on the other hand, some pawn shops around here are the best places to buy stuff.
I take the attitude that they bettter be friendly and knowledgable, because they're alot of places to get or order guns, and who needs an attitude.
 
RULE 1 - Never, never shop at pawn shops.

I would highly recommend doing business with your local Sporting Goods or hardware stores that handle firearms. These dealers need your support as they are under maximum stress by the Clintonistas.

Pawn shops, bail bondsmen, and many lawyers are the true scavengers of our society. They are the "bottom feeders" that pick-up the wreckage of other peoples lives. Show me an area with poor economic conditions and high crime and I believe your will find an over-representation of these "bottom feeders" in the community. Truly a job for those with no self respect.

At Gun Shows, you'll find the pawn shop operators mixed in with legitimate gun dealers. If you check the business cards on the table you may learn if there is a pawn shop connection. And like everywhere else, it is buyer beware!

P.S. - Pawn Shop operators save your flames for somebody that cares.
 
AUTiger73... I am a pawnbroker. Proud of it. What do you do? Whatever it is, I would never denigrate it.
 
Yeah, I have seen all kinds of dealers. One guy in the next town is really good and won't try to pull the wool over your eyes. The dealer we have in this town is a profiteer and will try to tell you that Swift spotting scopes are far better than Leupold and Swarfoski and that Hi-point pistols are good defense pistols. What to guess what he sells in his store? :) Bottom line is that if they want to be jerks, go someplace else that is going to appreciate you business. The good dealer in the next town gets a LOT of my business. The profiteer sees very little of it.
 
STLRN, MAK-90's have been around for a while.
I can't remember seeing one configured as a folder but....Why not find out for sure.
You can find a rude salesperson most anywhere!
Best Regards,
Hank
 
The MAK90 was introduced in 1990 as a reaction to the import ban on AK47s in 89. Initially, most dealers and certainly most other people did not know what the law was and a LOT of MAK90s got underfolders put on them. Technically it was illegal to put these folders on (though it is not anywhere near as serious a crime as violating the 94 AWB). However, the legality of posessing those guns after they are converted (by someone else other than the person who has converted them) is a grey area. From what my local dealer was told by the head of the ATF Technical section at the SHOT show, it is not a crime to posess the converted post89 gun (assuming it received the folder prior to 94) but the gun IS subject to forfeiture as it was used in the comission of a crime...though such forfeiture is not a common thing by any stretch of the imagination.
So, technically, that dealer may be correct, as long as the underfolder was put together before 94.
 
I have bought a number of guns at a local pawn broker.I trust him and have recomended to a number of people that he has treated very well.He is more honest then most of the local gun dealers and stands behind what he sells.To label a whole group of people a bad in that way is the same as laleling all blacks as criminals.As sign of a narrow mind in my opinion.
Bob
 
hey my local gun store is a gun store/pawn shop and have a guy that dose bonds too never had a bad deal with them yet some things they have are a little high but there the only place in town and if i dont like the price i wont buy but i have got some great deals there althoug ive been in some stores that i would never go in agin and i told them so due to the rude treatment recived at the hands of there employes

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Rule #2: Take everything on the internet with a grain of salt.

One of the dealers that I do business with the most often is a local pawnbroker. I've known the man for years and he is one of the most honest, hard working people I know. On the other hand, a few blocks down the street is another pawnbroker that I wouldn't piss on if he was on fire. It's always dangerous to stereotype people of any group. You always wind up looking like a fool.
 
Everyone is on edge these days.
I'll grant your shopowner had poor control, but do you know what these people deal with these days? Think.

Coincidently, today I was at my local gunshop...I've been going there since I was 6 yrs old, I know them and they know me. Its a family business and in my life I've seen it go from father to son, and both mom and dad are still there.
I picked up a slug barrel for my 870. We are chatting and such when 3 women come in and aggressively tell the owner he should black out his front window and take down the 3D rifle on the store front.
Why? Because next door is a kiddie clothing store. "Its a bad example" and other such drivel. This gunshop has been there since the early 50's...same family owner. That next door business changes hands every 2 or 3 yrs. Last time was a women's contemp clothing store (good stuff BTW I bought a few sundresses there), prior was a record store, before that an antique shop. A few yrs before it was a motorcycle shop.
So, they start on the owner and I butt in and take them on. They leave.
We get back to chatting and this guy is short with me!!!
I laugh and call him on it...back to normal, but he tells me stuff (and the above notes it). These poor people get magnitudes more **** than we do....and we are a seriously testy bunch.
Moral....cut them a little slack

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"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" RKBA!
 
The shopowner was/is selling an illegal weapon either intentionally or unintentionally. Wasn't there an FFL who got shut down in CA for putting a functional folder on a 10/22?
 
I'm never rude to a customer in the store!
Part of the fun of buying a gun is the experience. If I am rude I not only lose the sale but lose you as a customer! If the customer asks my opinion I will give it. I'm quick to tell them it is just that...my opinion.
If I don't know something I say so. Why B.S. and make for bad feelings later on.
Bottom line for me is service with a smile!
I need your patronage to make a living so why would I be a jerk? Can't understand why some folks are nasty. I'll gladly handle their business if they don't want it. :D
 
My point to the owner of the pawn shop was that this might be illegal, you ahould check out if you potentially violating the law. The law you mentioned Rik was what I was trying to mentione to them specifically you couldn't have a folding stock on an import made after a certain date. I had previously purchased a pistol from them in the past, year. Their prices are a bit high, but being in small military town with only a couple of places that sell firearms you are quite limited. But I plan not to buy from them in the future, all the had to do was say. "I will look into it, thanks" and I not be rude about someone who may try to help them.

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God truly fights on the side with the best artillery
 
Pawnshops are, like everything else, a mixed bag. I've found some unreal deals at them, both definitions of "unreal." :)

The PBs that I generally deal with are 100% pro-gun, knowledgable, and courteous. If I run into one who doesn't know the laws, or tries to tell me a blatant lie about a gun I'm interested in, I simply leave.

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"If your determination is fixed, I do not counsel you to despair. Few things are impossible to diligence and skill. Great works are performed not by strength, but perseverance."
-- Samuel Johnson
 
I have made some great gun buys in my local Pawn Shop. One big advantage is that the guy behind the counter usually isn't that knowledgeable about his guns. That means that if you are knowledgeable about guns you have an advantage. Plus they are more apt to dicker with you over the final out the door price, than a gun shop. For example I have made the following great deals.
1. Kimber Custom Combat Carry NIB $400.00
2. West German Walther PPKs 100% condition $175.00
3. Smith & Wesson Model 37 Airweight blued unfired $75.00
4. Smith & Wesson Model 36 blued $60.00
5. Smith & Wesson 686 2.5" 100% condition $200.00
6.Russian Makarov 14 shot .380 $100.00
7.Beretta Model 21 .22 $100.00
8. Rossi 2" stainless snubby .38 $90.00
9. Jap 7.7 Arisaka with Chrysanthemum intact $50.00

These are a few examples of the deals that I have picked up through the last few years. I have run all guns throught NCIC and none came back hot. On second thought, the rest of you guys stay out of the Pawn Shops, that will mean more good buys for me. :)

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SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL POLICE, KEEP THEM INDEPENDENT.

[This message has been edited by 7th Fleet (edited March 04, 2000).]
 
I work in a pawnshop and let me tell everyone how hard it is to work everyday with the public. Countless times during the day people bring things in to sell and I talk them out of it because of the price we pay for things. People lose their things in pawn after several months and we make an effort to get them back to their previous owners, even though by law we can keep them.
Are there snakes in the business, of course there are but we found out by being fair people will want to do business wiht us even if its out of there way or if we offer them less.
Unfortunatly, we got out of the gun business just before I got into guns. Now I go to a local shop for most of my purchases. The guy is a real jerk, never smiles, no emotions, just a perpetual poker face. I go to him because he has good prices. I don't think we should blanket all pawnbrokers the same.
 
My dad was one of those friendly gun dealers. Had stools in front of the display cases so you could sit at the case and break a gun down before you buy it. Some people even installed parts they bought right there with dad's tools, so if it didn't work he simply put it back in the plastic and sent it back in. You could also sit on the stools and waste dad's time by shooting the breeze of course. Always ready to bargain, always willing to take or extend layaway, always friendly. That and people who would rather shop at Wal-Mart drove him out of business.

When I was looking for an EAA Witness in 9mm this year, I went to a dealer who was supposed to be cheap. He was. Good prices on Hi-Points and United Cutlery knives, and he tried to tell me I'd be better off with a Hi-Point than even a CZ-75. Then I went to a pawnbroker who almost sold me an Astra A-75. We spent forever talking laws, hunting, and comparing the A-75 to the CZ design and to the Sigs. He was honest and friendly and he would have gotten my money had I not decided to keep my "trade" gun. :D I'll go back, too. Won't go back to the reputable upscale dealers in Galesburg called Simpson's Limited, though. I'm young and have long hair and they simply don't want my business. I won't force it on them.

And AUtiger, aren't there a lot of guns in those areas? Maybe guns cause crime. Or maybe old cars cause crime . . . .
 
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