Ruby Ridge Shooting Reconsidered

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Ruby Ridge Shooting Reconsidered
by DAVID KRAVETS
Associated Press Writer

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- A federal appeals court will reconsider its decision that an FBI sharpshooter cannot be prosecuted for manslaughter in the shooting death of white separatist Randy Weaver's wife during a 1992 standoff.

In June, a three-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the state of Idaho could not prosecute Lon T. Horiuchi for ''actions taken in pursuit of his duties as a federal law enforcement officer.''

Boundary County prosecutors sought the rehearing, arguing the shooting was done by a ''wild-headed government sniper.''

The 9th Circuit said Friday the case would be reheard by 11 judges. No date was set for the new hearing.

During the weeklong standoff at Weaver's remote Idaho cabin, Horiuchi fired a single shot that killed Weaver's wife, Vicki, and wounded family friend Kevin Harris. The sharpshooter fired as Vicki Weaver held open the cabin door, her 10-month-old baby in her arms, to let Randy Weaver, their daughter and Harris back inside.

Horiuchi has maintained that he did not see Vicki Weaver when he fired at Harris, an armed associate of Randy Weaver who was ducking into the cabin as federal agents were attempting to arrest Randy Weaver on a weapons trafficking charge.

Stephen Yagman, a Los Angeles attorney serving as Boundary County's special prosecutor, said the court probably wanted to rehear the high-profile case with additional judges because of its significance.

Horiuchi's attorney, Adam S. Hoffinger, was not immediately available for comment.

Last week, the Justice Department announced the settlement of the last remaining civil lawsuit arising from the weeklong standoff. The government admitted no wrongdoing, but paid Harris $380,000 to drop his $10 million civil damage suit.

In 1995, the government paid Weaver and his three surviving children $3.1 million in the killing of Weaver's wife and their son, Samuel. The 14-year-old son died in a shootout with a team of federal marshals that ignited the siege. A deputy marshal was also killed.
 
Since the Ninth Circuit Court has already said that the modified FBI "shoot to kill" orders were unconstitutional, hopefully the Boundary County prosecuting attorney will keep hammering away that Horiuchi knew or should have known from his training that his shot was illegal.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bruels:
Since the Ninth Circuit Court has already said that the modified FBI "shoot to kill" orders were unconstitutional, hopefully the Boundary County prosecuting attorney will keep hammering away that Horiuchi knew or should have known from his training that his shot was illegal.[/quote]

Is that the BS rule the Federal Brigade of Instigators calls their "compromise authority rule"?

Fast Eagle



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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fast Eagle:
Is that the BS rule the Federal Brigade of Instigators calls their "compromise authority rule"?

Fast Eagle


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I'm not sure what you are addressing. I was referring to http://www-tech.mit.edu/V117/N45/rubyridge.45w.html for the court's interpretation of the "shoot any armed male" rule.
 
I may have to re-read the boo made by Randy Weaver, and his daughter(s), of their account of part of their lives.

Wasn't there a particular part about that whole thing that referred to the specific rules of engagement?

What part of rules of engagement cover a sniper taking out a target he says he didn't see? A sniper capable of 1000 meter shots to "engage", or neutralize an enemy. But didn't see the enemy, err, uh, potential target. That same "target", that was supposedly profiled to be a dangerous matriarchal figure within the Weaver home.

Want to destroy your "enemies" moral, take out a key figure in that group, and see what happens. That's what a sniper is supposed to do.

Which is another bs thing about the whole FBI, HRT part of this. Hostage Rescue Team? Excuse me!! Who were the hostages there?
When you have a situation where there are hostages, do you nuetralize the hostages to remove the effective bargaining power of the bg?
Apparently the FBI believes this to be the case, because nobody in a Federal position has ever been held accountable for any of the actions up on that hill.

And keep in mind that this was essentially the same group that later moved on down to Waco.
And what happened there?
Was anyone killed there?
Does anything between the two events look the same.
If so, what common denominators were in existant between the two events?

Now take the findings, and decide whether the key operations officers were the same. And how far down the food chain toward WDC were the command decisions being made, and authorities given.
Every damn grunt out there answers to someone dammit.
 
"I should not be punished because I was only following the orders of my superiors"......That one was supposed to have been laid to rest at the Nurenburg trials.

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Sam I am, grn egs n packin

Nikita Khrushchev predicted confidently in a speech in Bucharest, Rumania on June 19, 1962 that: " The United States will eventually fly the Communist Red Flag...the American people will hoist it themselves."
 
Let us also hope the prosecutor has the sense to show the 11 judges the equipment the sniper used. Maybe bring in a Tactical expert who will discuss the role of the sniper. That should quell all argument! Let us also pray that 11 heads are better than 3!
 
How much do You wanna bet that if the appeals court says they can try him, they have a little trouble finding him? Talk about " The man who knew too much "
crankshaft
paranoia is JUST FINE when they really, truly are out to get You!
 
Guys,
I wouldn't get to excited about this sniper getting prosecuted. If he goes to prison, so what? The guys who are pulling the strings will get fresh new agents to order around. Hell, the guys calling the shots will probably get a raise.
 
The way I see this.... When the agent shot his target was on the move. Rules of safety state that you should know your target and what is beyond. How can one follow a moving target in a scope and be sure of what is beyond their target? I don't think you can with any safety. Was this criminal? Maybe, but I doubt it. I think it was more a case of gross neglegence on the agents part. Unless he had other motives such as revenge.

Which brings up the question, at this point in the standoff, why were they shooting at anyone in the cabin? There were no hostages.

Ummm... I don't know, there may be enough evidence to try him.



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Richard

The debate is not about guns,
but rather who has the ultimate power to rule,
the People or Government.
RKBA!
 
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