Royal Navy to allow devil worship

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http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/10/24/uk.devilworship/index.html

LONDON, England (CNN) -- A devil-worshipping sailor in the Royal Navy has become the first registered Satanist in the British Armed Forces.

Chris Cranmer, 24, a technician serving on the Type 22 frigate Cumberland, has been officially recognized as a Satanist by the ship's captain.

That allows him to perform satanic rituals aboard and permits him to have a non-Christian Church of Satan funeral should he be killed in action.

A spokesman for Britain's Ministry of Defence told CNN Sunday that it had a duty to allow members of the forces to practice their religion.

He added that the MoD was an "equal opportunities employer" which did not stop anyone having their own religious values.

"The Royal Navy allows this kind of approach because it is clearly in line with current regulations. We are not aware of any other individuals who want to be registered as Satanists."

Cranmer, 24, who comes from Edinburgh, Scotland, is now lobbying the Ministry of Defence to make Satanism a registered religion in the Armed Forces, says Britain's Sunday Telegraph.

He says he wants Satanists to be able to join the military without "fear of marginalisation and the necessity to put up with Christian dogma."

The defense ministry told CNN that Cranmer went to his commanding officer with a request to practice his beliefs on board his ship and, after consultation with the ship's chaplain, this was granted.

The decision was at the discretion of the captain, the MoD, said, and was on the basis that it did not impinge on the operational effectiveness, safety or security of the ship, or the well-being of colleagues.

Tour of duty
Cranmer, who has been aboard the Cumberland's tour of duty in the Indian Ocean and the Persian Gulf since April, said that being registered as a Satanist gave him "the freedom of religion I wanted despite its controversial nature".

Cranmer, who is single, has been in the Royal Navy for four years and was promoted leading hand -- the naval equivalent of corporal -- in July last year.

He told the newspaper that he realized he was a Satanist nine years ago when he "stumbled across" The Satanic Bible by American 'Black Pope' Anton Szandor LaVey. "I then read more and came to realize I'd always been a Satanist, just simply never knew."

He added that he had been "warmly congratulated" by his friends and family for becoming the Armed Forces' first Satanist but did not feel that the war in Iraq was "the Devil's work."

"From a military perspective, I believe in vengeance. I don't consider Satan to be an intelligently external force in my life; instead I consider it an empowering internal force.

"If I were asked if I were evil, I would say yes -- by virtue of the common definition. However, if you asked my family and friends you would hear a resounding 'no'. I get a massive amount from my career."

Satanic rules
The Church of Satan was established in San Francisco in 1966 and LaVey was its high priest until his death in 1997.

Members of the church, which rejects Christian ideas of God and the Devil, follow 11 "Satanic Rules of the Earth."

The belief system has been condemned as a cult by some religious groups and at least one opposition politician expressed dismay after Cranmer won permission to practice Satanism aboard a Royal Navy ship.

"I am utterly shocked by this," Conservative parliamentarian Anne Widdecombe told Reuters.

"Satanism is wrong. Obviously the private beliefs of individuals anywhere including the armed forces are their own affair but I hope it doesn't spread," she said.
 
All religions look equally silly from the outside.
However, some are more offensive than others.

John
Cape Canaveral
 
I believe I would have to take the side of the Royal Navy on this one.

Military organizations (and for that matter all government entities) must be secular and deal with issues in a secular manner. If that sailer wants to jump up and down on one foot while wearing a pink hula and call that his religion and wishes to be able to practice that belief, he should be able to as long as it doesn't impair his ability or the ability of his unit to function.
 
Unless it detracts from his duties, or causes major morale problems, not sure if it matters.
And if he has the pleasure of meeting an exocet, mayhaps he'll find the error of his ways quick enough.
Levay, a predator and throughly questionable person. Many of the 'philosophies' he advocated were mainly intended to justify an unrestrained hedonism. So very popular reading for some people with like tendancies.
And the followers of such Levay type philosophies tend to be irrelevent, marginalized and etc...no matter how many candles and backwards masses they read.
Personally I'd prefer a good Buddhist, Christian, Taoist, Moslim, Shinto, Hindu, Zoroastrian, Pagan or Wiccan any day...
at least they generally have moral codes....
 
Unless it detracts from his duties, or causes major morale problems, not sure if it matters.
I think they used that one to keep blacks and whites segregated in our armed forces for a long time, seems kinda funny that it works for some things and not others. CNN why do you bother to carry such non-sense.
 
True, but the military somewhat negated their problem (in that regard) by necessity.
And religion is conduct, so that can be adapted to the rules-when it is necessary to do so. Many in 'non-mainstream religions have to do just that in civilian society, let alone in the military...be it the Wicca crowd avoiding school boards, the Kwanzaa contingent being criticized as a new religion or for their symbolic assegais, or Allah help them...the Moslims currently in this country.
And largely what kept blacks and whites segregated, was the idiocy based on questionable stereotypes, and biased testing. And idiocy, does tend to have a long life...
 
And religion is conduct
So you can tell a person's religion by their conduct?
And if he has the pleasure of meeting an exocet
It seems as if you do not like this person, and you have not even met him.
biased testing
What biased testing were blacks subjected to in the armed forces?
The bottom line is that you put conditions on his serving in the military of england, he can not be held responsible for the reactions of his shipmates because of their preconceived notions of him, just like you did, just like the armed forces did of black people. You think his religious choice is erroneous, It really did not say how he practiced his religion. Live your life let others live there's cause bottom line you both just might meet in hell. Now if you were jewish you would think he was nuts because jew do not believe in hell or the devil.
 
David Berkowitz got mixed up with a group of satanists. Interesting bunch of people.

Wonder why Cranmer's "bible" author changed his name from Levey to LaVey.
 
Yeah, but we could make the case that "X was a Baptist," and "Y was a Catholic," and "Z was a Muslim," and "A was a Buddest," and "B was a Hindi," and. . .
 
Religion is conduct in the sense it is a behavior rather than a genetic state.
The person, couldn't care less. However, don't have much liking for the philosophical aspects behind Levey's agenda. Unrestrained Hedonism, tends to eventually lead to predatory behavior. That would be one of the operative differences between say, Epicurianist (sp) philosophies and such as Levey's...the Epicurians counterbalanced sensuality with ethics.
Exocet, just a statement that, when we do die, very likely what we espoused, might be considerably different from what we might experience.
Biased testing, in WW-1 IQ tests where used to restrict African American troops to service units.
And when entering the military (or other defined social groups) there is a tacit understanding that your personal behavior can be modified to accord with the organizations needs. So, yes, therefore a commander could restrict certain behaviors, if these did conflict with morale or other considerations. And anyone freely moving into such a system, should be aware of that element. Something many groups have had to adapt to, including (for example) the Christians in the late imperial or Byzantine armies.
And yes, there are some concerns with Levey's philosophy, and adherents, because of the Hedonist aspects, not being counterbalanced by socially functional ethics. That's one of the weaknesses of his ideas...he borrowed freely from Dionysian, Northern European Pagan and other beliefs, as it suited his personal drives. And ignored any counterbalances these beliefs might have used to avoid the excesses which were detrimental to others.
In that regard, Levey could have been considered the analagous to the Christian preacher who advises confessors that releasing their desires with him, will cleanse them.
 
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