Ron Paul in the debate et al

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Doug.38PR

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Hfa7vT02lA

Here y'all go. The only parts of the debate worth hearing. No pretty boy's or neo-cons or "America's Mayor" rambling, just plain ol' Ron Paul of Texas.

Throughout the debates, he was largely ignored by Chris Matthews and the focus was mainly on the likes of Guliani..."America's Mayor" (Not my mayor)

http://www.lewrockwell.com/woods/woods67.html
Interesting article by Tom Woods on the way the media is treating Paul
 
Holy Crap...Ron Paul is winning the Fox text poll!!!!! He has 30% Telling the truth is paying off!!! Make sure to call 36988 and text "R7" before 12:30 pm EST!!!
YES!!!!
 
Interesting how he got jumped on by the NeoCons on this forum for saying that 9/11 is our fault when the current crop has been alluding to the same thing the whole time with their "end the dependence on foreign oil" line.
 
I knew very little about Ron Paul before last night's debate, other than his pro-gun stance. Now I know more about him, and know that he is a total nut case! I don't know if he is suffering from dementia, or is just an idiot. His "blame America" ideas about 9/11 put him in the same box with Kucinich on the Democratic side. Someone should start a poll on this forum about Ron Paul, and if he gets more than a few percent of the vote I'll know that there is no intelligent life in "The Firing Line". A few of the participants in the debate did stand out as potential leaders of this county, including former Gov. Huckabee, Congressman Duncan Hunter, and yes, despite his anti-gun positions of the past, Rudy Guliani. If we don't have a leader willing to see reality and fight against the flood of Islamic facsist terrorism, this country is truly finished.
 
If 9/11 hadn't have happened, what would Guliani have to run on?, NYC has always had a mayor and like all cities, it is actually run by clerks, the mayor is just there for photo opps and dinners. Oh that's right, Guliani did prosicute a few mobsters in between divorces and lying to his wives.. big deal.
 
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Hey Vito...

Dr. Paul will strengthen national defense..His principles simply do not allow for an aggressive national OFFENSE. If we return to a policy of non interference we will simply stop antagonizing those who presently seek to do us harm.

I submit that national defense may never be stronger than it will be under President Paul.
 
vito - Paul didnt make his point clear, thats a problem he's had in the past. He has great ideas, but (and I am a Paul supporter) the man isnt the greatest speaker. When put on the spot he stalls, and searches for words. Often the first thing that comes out of his mouth isnt the best answer to the question. Combine this with his somewhat peculiar appearance and you've got what some might consider a "moonbat". He would do well to hire a speach adviser/coach. In the first debate, he was given an opportunity to really seperate himself from the pack, but flopped . All this being said, the mans' views and beliefs are spot on. Policing the world is not what the Constitutions' framers intended for this nation. Obviously we have to have a foriegn policy, we dont live in a bubble and we depend on things that we have to import. But our foriegn policy is far too intrusive, and it has been for far too long. We get ourselves bogged down in situations we had no business getting involved in in the first place (we can all agree on that right?). All Paul was saying is that we should stop meddling in the business of others; stop putting ourselves in the postion to get not only bogged down, but kicked in the tail.
 
The despots in the middle East will continue to demonize the US and seek ways to attack our people and our interests until every last Jew in Israel is murdered and every remaining Jew is forbidden to build or repair a synagogue or pray in public and pays a punitive tax to an Islamic government.

Saying that we shouldn't meddle is the same as saying that we should leave our ally Israel to fend for itself against despotic nations that hold the same basic views that Hitler and the Nazis did.

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Hitler visiting the Mufti of Jerusalem

We were in Russia on June 22 last year finishing the adoption of our son. It is a day of mourning. It marks the day that Hitler began his invasion in 1941.

That act ultimately led to the deaths of over 20 million Russians and other Soviets, less than half of whom were military. Hitler regarded Slavs as one step above Jews, so his army made no particular effort to limit the scope of its operations. Nearly 15% of the population lost their lives.

We spent the month in Nizhniy Tagil, a city which is the mine, furnace, and forge of the Russian military machine, and one can't walk three blocks there without seeing a memorial to that disastrous time in the nation's history. Indeed, I got the impression that the bleakness of the Russian winters and the deadly legacy of Communism was not the only thing that caused me to be the only person smiling in the photos we took with our Russian friends.

And so, my fellow americans: ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.
- John F. Kennedy, Inaugural address, January 20, 1961
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When does it become time for the United States to intervene in world affairs on behalf of the cause of freedom and justice? After a million die? Ten million? A hundred million? After the enemy is so entrenched and powerful that we must spend the lives of nearly half a million of our sons and wipe out entire cities in order to defeat them?

This is my one sticking point with Ron Paul, and while it's a big one, it is not big enough to prevent me from supporting his run for the nomination. I do wish that we lived in a world where the US could follow George Washington's advice of observing good faith and justice toward all nations, and cultivating peace and harmony with all, but we don't live in that world, not today.
 
mvpel,

Paul has repeatedly said that 'Congress should declare war if we are to send troopps abroad, we should win it, and then come home', so taking out Nazi Germany is obviously not something he's against, he seeems to take issue with the kinda sorta send troops on UN Peacekeeping missions but not quite war for nation building and babysitting missions without any clear objective aside getting in the crossfire of people's who hate each other.

Congress doesn't seem to want the responsibility of declaring war, as they know it's politically expensive and generally bloody, they'd rather just talk about peacekeeping and blame others when things go wrong, it's tough to doubletalk your way out of a declaration of war.
 
Saying that we shouldn't meddle is the same as saying that we should leave our ally Israel to fend for itself against despotic nations that hold the same basic views that Hitler and the Nazis did.
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Be more carefull who you call an ally. Israel has not only spied on the government and agencies such as the FBI, but also on private citizens of this nation. It is also well known that Isreal has stollen nuclear secrets from us. Actually, Israel has been spying on the United States for quite some time. Sound like a friend to you? How often do you spy on your friend? How often do you steal from them? Would I willingly send my son off to war to fight and possibly die for the freedom of a nation who has spied on my own nation? No.

http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2007/03/11/israel-spying-in-and-on-the-united-states/

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spyring.html

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/spy.html

And so, my fellow americans: ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country.
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A socialist qoute from a socialist.
 
I guess I won't give up on you folks yet. After Ron Paul becomes a small footnote in this election cycle, I will try to convince those who supported him to hang in there are vote Republican. Even if we disagree on Ron Paul and his positions, I assume we can agree that a Hilary, or an Obama in the White House, combined with a Democrat controlled Congress, would be a very bad thing for anyone who supports the 2A. The thought of either of those two Demos nominating the next few Supreme Court justices scares the crap out of me.
 
Don't get me wrong, I'll vote Republican even if it's that tool, Giuliani. We've seen the results of Democrat ascendancy here in New Hampshire, as they're working vigorously to shove every left-wing notion right down our throats, and lay the groundwork to back the state into an income and sales tax for the first time in history.
 
With the exception of Ron Paul..I will not ever for a Republican and I will never vote for a Democrat.

I hope that Dr. Paul will get on the ballot, if not as a Republican then as an independent.

But I hope that the majority of you who claim support for him do so for his politics and not his political affiliation. If that's the case then the only logical alternative to voting for Ron Paul in the event that he does not make it onto the ballot is to vote for the Libertarian candidate.

Just don't vote for the status quo..Republican or Democrat..or we'll be stuck in the same situation we've had for at least the last 17 years..an increasing loss of freedom and an ever more powerful government.

Vote Ron Paul in 2008!
 
The "conservative" FOX news is pushing to get Ron Paul outed by the RNC. These folks are terrified and having to show their true colors. Bush wiped out any hope for a Republican victory except for Dr. Paul, so the RNC is on the spot.
The First Amendment either means something or it doesn't and the RNC needs to hear about it. We fight now or we lose a lot more than our guns! RNC phone #: 202-863-8500
Tell them Ron Paul has a right to say how he feels and we have a right to hear it.

GOPAC is also pushing to get Ron Paul out of the way so they can continue to bring this country down without opposition. Call them as well.
GOPAC#: 202-464-5170

"Those who make peaceful revolutions impossible
will make violent revolutions inevitable."

badbob
 
Gosh did you hear Hannity coming down on Paul the other night? I mean the supposed "liberal" Alan Colmes was backing up Paul and all Hannity could do was interrupt and say he's unpatriotic.
 
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