Rock Salt: BE HONEST

What is your PERSONAL experience with rocksalt shotgun shell loads?

  • I've never met anyone who even claimed to have used it, let alone seen any.

    Votes: 59 56.7%
  • I know a guy who says he used it/had it used on him.

    Votes: 24 23.1%
  • I've seen and handled rock salt loads, but never employed them or kept them ready.

    Votes: 5 4.8%
  • I've kept rocksalt shells at the ready in/with my shotgun, but never used it.

    Votes: 1 1.0%
  • I've personally loaded rocksalt shells, but never shot at a living target with them.

    Votes: 2 1.9%
  • I've SHOT at a person or animal with rocksalt.

    Votes: 2 1.9%
  • I've BEEN SHOOT or shot at with rocksalt.

    Votes: 11 10.6%

  • Total voters
    104

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Well, yet again, I heard the tired old chestnut today. I was on-duty in my small growing residential semi-rural town, and received an animal complaint call. I responded to find a sheepish lady explain that her neighbor's dogs (large chows) had been peeing on her fence and in her garage, and when she had gone to shoo them off, they growled at her intimidatingly, in her own yard. She felt concerned for her safety, and called the cops. (actually she tried to get "animal control," but in our small town, she got a cop. ;) ) She asked what to do about them, and went on to say "my father told me on the phone that in the old days he just blasted them with rock salt loads out of his shotgun."

Well, I handled the dog issue by going to the neighbors, expressing my concerns, and securing from them a promise to put in an "invisible fence." No problem.

But I was taken aback by the rock salt comment. What amazes me is how often I hear about rock salt as the end-all, cure-all for non-lethal enforcement. But here's the thing: in all of my years in the gun culture, growing up in a cop family and in the country and attending many, many gun shows, hunt camps, shotgun, rifle, and pistol matches, I've never seen a 12ga. rocksalt shell, personally. I'm sure that a few have been loaded up by just opening up a regular shotgun shell, dumping the shot and packing it with rock salt, but I can tell you this, right now: There's a whole lot more rock salt talked about than has ever been seen.

I've had fellas "reminisce" laughingly about having their backsides peppered with rocksalt for trespassing. Ask to see the scars, and they'll tell you that this is beauty of rocksalt: it stings but doesn't do any real damage.

Bull. You take rock salt and throw it at someone with over 1300fps mv, you're going to do some damage, inside of 25 yards. At 15 yards, we're talking lethal damage. Pop someone with it, and the law will hold you just as accountable as if you'd used buckshot. Count on it.

So here's my question: Does anyone here see any merits to it?

And my poll question: Does anyone here have any REAL, PERSONAL experience with rocksalt loads? Tell me about them.

--L.P.

Durn it! "BEEN SHOOT" ? Typo! Silly poll won't let me edit the questions. :)
 
Meanie

Why don't you just come out and say there is no Santa Claus while you're at it. Another Urban (or Rural) Legand down the drain.
 
Long time ago

---Some one showed me a handful, they had prepared (emptied shot out, and loaded rock salt, then err "re-crimped"...We did fire a couple at a tree (maybe 25 ft?), as I recall, and they mostly kinda scraped off some bark, nothing "stuck"...However, I also had a friend that worked for local Sheriffs department, again many years ago....He showed me some "riot loads" that contained, not salt, but "ground glass"..Looked like mashed coke bottle to me, most pieces irregular, but roughly cubical, between 1/8th and 1/4 in in size.... He said (don't know source) that at short range (like 5 ft) they were 99.99999% non-lethal, but guaranteed fight stoppers....(My mental picture was not of getting shot, but of being at the hospital getting a couple hundred pieces of broken glass removed from various body parts!)...At longe range (to maybe 50 ft) they would inflict a bit of damage, cuts/contusions, with minor penetration(but any thing much heavier than a tee-shirt would stop them....By 100 ft or so they barely stung...supposedly useful in crowded areas, as innocents behind intended victim not likely to be harmed...I may whip up a few of these someday
 
Oh, P.S.

BTW I train dogs, and train w/ PPDA (Personal Protection) and some LEOs, as well as my own Schutzhund dogs...and pretty much the LAST thing I would do to a potentially dangerous dog, would be to inflict pain on it....This will probably get you just the OPPOSITE reaction from what's desired..."Fight or flight"....with many breeds (Rotties, Chows, GSDs, Malinois, etc.) you probably have 50% chance, or better of getting "FIGHT"....Dumb idea...Aggressive behavior towards these "dangerous" (most are actually no threat at all, if you have any brains) dogs, will get you an aggressive response....I can chase most of them into the next county(acting the "alpha male"0, but this not suggested to the layman either
 
LOL, LP. :D

My Dad(dy) & Hiz went on & on about the rock salt treatment when stealing watermelons, et al. Seems though, that "watermelons, et al" were never grown where they live .... ;)

Never seen one used, employed, nada. Lots of stories though about used, employed, hit with, etc. .... "rural" legend? I'd bet.

In any event, & en especial these days, if you are justified shooting anybody with anything, you are justified in blowing a garbage-can-sized hole through 'em. "Just" a "dusting" with a non lethal "thing"'s likely to get you in deep ..... hell, just turning the water hose a buncha buttheads can cause a neighborhood "legalese."

Gotta figure though - if rock salt's gonna do anything more than sting from its impact, it has to penetrate a tad enough for the salt to cause that extra sting. I'm thinkin' that a skeet load of #8 will do that nicely enough & with a much better control of pattern.
 
As kids, we used to "enter" an older part of a cemetary that had some great sledding hills. We'd usually see the trucks coming and duck out under the fence in plenty of time, but one time, a worker/guard came up on us walking and let loose a couple rounds from a bit of a distance. Didn't hit anything as I recall, but it seemed common knowledge at that time that they used rock salt for loads. Can't say for certain though exactly what it was, but I think that a real load would have carried far enough to hit us or something near us.
 
I have handloaded plastic pellets in a shotgun shell for less than lethal defense. Never shot someone or something with them though.

nsf003
 
I may have felled offen the turnip lorry but it was long before yestidy.

Close range, rock salt goin to be likely lethal, if can get it out of the gun at a goodly rate. Likely still be in the shot cup up close. Some distance and eye damage bout the worst to expect.

Horrible grouping due to irregular shape. Way lighter than shot so would take different powder and LOTS of wad pressure to get any oomph.

Not even good for shootin slugs. You want table salt loads for that.

I have probably heard all the tales bout it but gonna have to see to believe.

Sam
 
'Twould be nice to hear from the people who answered the poll saying they have shot/been shot with rock salt.

What was it like?
 
My knowlege about Rock salt comes entirely from a guy I talked to a number of years ago who had experimented with RS loads. He told me that in normal velocity loads most of the rocks get powdered on the initial setback when the shell goes off. You end up with very few rocks and a lot of powder with no penetrating power. The guy used a standard target recipe at 1200 fps so this was not an extreme velocity load. The choke he shot through was an IC so that should not have crushed that much of the load. Naturally Rock salt does not have nearly the density of any normally used shot so there is not much penetration even if the chunks of salt remain intact.

He was very glad that he had used an old harware store brand beater pump gun (as I remember Otasco) to test the loads as he could never again clean the gun often enough to keep it from rusting.

I would caution anyone about custom loading self defense ammo. If the BG or his family sues you they can find an expert in court to say that you prepared a special ultra-lethal load to use on their client. They will claim that their clients injuries are the direct result of your "special load". Most juries don't know any better so they will believe it. The best thing you can shoot for self defense is a goosd factory load.

Chuck Graber
 
When I was about 6, a friend and I thought it was cool to swipe tomatoes from a neighbor's garden, slice them up and eat them. We were caught and warned by the owner once, on repetition we heard a huge noise, and felt as if stung by bees all over our backs and the backs of our legs. Terrified, I ran home and the folks heard me coming. Pop was a game warden then and worked nights catching jacklighters.

The folks ascertained that I was not seriously injured, gave me a lecture and a cool bath, and put me to bed. I learned years later that Pop went to the man's house and broke his face.

As for the damage, I doubt that it's noticeable now, but as late as my 20s I had very small scars on my lower back and legs, obvious only when I was well tanned.

Moving from personal to general, I see absolutely no need for salt loads, unless you're pulling a Jim Bridger and shooting critters so far away that salt is needed to preserve them until you get there.
 
I don't know from Urban Legends... but I have a scar on the back of one calf caused by a rock salt fired from a shotgun. The owner of that watermelon patch sure didn't cotton to midnight raiders.
 
Isn't t it the law that the only time you can deploy a weapon such as a shotgun is when deadly force is justified? I can just about guarantee you that is the law in Texas. After having been through one year of law school I know that when it comes to law nothing is 100% ironclad so I say "just about guarantee". With that being the case, why not use a lethal round. What is the point of any less than lethal load unless you are an LEO?
 
After having been through one year of law school

just what we need, another lawyer :barf:

seriously, though, we need all of the pro-gun lawyers we can get. keep those grades up.


stinger
 
My understanding is that, in today's legal environment, you must never shoot at another person, even with a rock salt load, unless there is immediate danger to your life.

Back in "the old days", you could get awy with shooting a thief with rock salt. Today its attempted murder.

And yes, rock salt at short range is lethal. Blanks at short range (contact range) are lethal.
 
Cut me some slack, Sam! I said it was a typo! The software on polls here is set up to keep us honest-- even the author can't edit one, once it's fired off to TFL's server. Only the Moderator of that forum or an Administrator can edit a poll.

Maybe a kind Shotgun Moderator would remove the extraneous "O" from my last question of the poll? :)

DaveMc, don't you realize that fresh vine-ripened tomatoes go better with a little dusting of salt? ;)


Reading this, I am reminded also that there are likely a LOT of people out there who will talk about how they were "shot at with rock salt," who were possibly never shot at at all. I've personally stepped out the back door to fire two rounds of #8 shot into the ground or air to drive off dogs, and I know people who've done the same with people. Many times, those people will just have been trespassing, and think "Well I know this wasn't a situation that would have called for lethal force. However, I KNOW he was shooting at me, so he must have been using rock salt." In reality, the shots may well have been directed into the ground.

I once saw a silly gang-banger empty a .25 acp into the ground behind a Chevy, before hopping into another car and tearing off. Everyone there said he'd been shooting at THEM. Heck, I could see from 100 yds away that he was shooting at the ground.

We're egocentric, no? ;)
 
Well, we thought it was salt...

When I was 14, a friend of mine and I were doing some late night fishing in a farmers pond who was rumored to use rock salt to shoot at trespassers. After we had been fishing for about an hour we saw him coming with a flashlight and we took off running for the fence. I heard the shot and my friend scream, and all the way home he talked about how much that rock salt burned. but when we got to the house his momma dug 3 pieces of what looked like #4 shot out of his right thigh.
 
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