robberies in our restaurant parking lot last night

traitorjack

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my brother (old_yout on these boards) and I have a restaurant in the bar/restaurant district of our small/medium sized college city, a relatively upscale area; we've been open for about a year. last night, one of our worst nightmares came true, after a fashion. about 9:00 last night, a regular came into the kitchen to tell me that he'd just been mugged in the back parking lot. I was in shock, I couldn't believe it, my jaw dropped. I put him on the phone with 911 and listened as he told the dispatcher what happened. apparently, a black teenager in a hooded sweatshirt accosted him with some kind of object held inside his sweatshirt, demanding $20. the customer, a pretty big guy, figured immediately that the kid was simply poking his finger inside his shirt and told him, "Forget it!", getting back inside his car and driving around to the front, where he came back into the restaurant to call the police.

I grabbed my Sig P220 and two plastic cuff restraints, my brother checked his Security Six, and we went looking in the parking lot.

IN THE MEANTIME, the kid must have simply waited for the next guy to come into the lot, because, using the same finger-under-the-sweatshirt tactic, he held up ANOTHER of our customers, who did give him $20. that customer told me later that the kid then demanded another $20, which he gave up, and then here's the real kicker -- the kid said, "I'm just kidding man, here's your money back." he actually gave the money back.

by the time my brother and I searched the lot, he was gone, but unbelievably, he showed up again. my brother spotted him from a distance, and precisely at that moment three police cruisers blasted up and two officers on foot chased him down and caught him. it turns out that he'd been breaking into houses in the area as well.

this happened last night, and I'm still a little shaky just putting the story down. I suppose I'm posting this just to share what happened and to declare, even in hindsight, that there's no doubt whatsoever in my mind that if he'd been in the lot and made that same threatening gesture, we wouldn't have gambled that he was unarmed and he would be dead now for whatever sick joke he thought he was playing. the police did say that he was still committing armed robbery, what with the perceived threat of a weapon and the taking of the money, no matter what else happened.

(aside: the first customer had already had dinner, he was leaving; the second one and his daughter stayed and had dinner despite their experience. they dined on the house, of course.)
 
I am sure that you will be able to do better next time: this perp will likely be out of jail within a very short time.
 
If this kid is very lucky, someone will make him realize how fortunate he is to be breathing tonight.

But, I'd wager that anyone this dumb is simply not long for this world. Some criminals are so stupid, it simply boggles the mind.

Glad everyone is OK. Regards from AZ
 
Just incase you get FLAMED for going looking for trouble. I don't think you were looking for trouble I think you were doing what we all should do. Find out where the perp is and point. Good going, slap on the back.
 
looking for trouble. ... hmn. excellent point; I hope I didn't come across that way. no, we went out there to "make sure everything was okay." that breaks down to: looking for him or any accomplices, for identification purposes; ensuring nothing else would happen to any of our customers before the police arrived, which, it turns out, was exactly what happened anyway; going out armed because it was our property, and we had reason to believe there was the possibility of an armed threat to our family, the friends we had there and assorted other customers. we've already discussed the "what ifs" involved, and we know we're not cops. we don't want to be heroes. if we'd been home, we'd have locked the doors and called 911. in this context, we wanted to clear the area and look for what could be seen. actually, when the police arrived, I thought, "That's it; I'm done." and went back inside to work. it was a busy Friday night, after all.

and let me tell you, I had a lot of trouble falling asleep that night, going over everything and thinking of the ramifications of shooting a kid, recidivist ****-up or not, who turned out to be unarmed.

[This message has been edited by traitorjack (edited September 24, 2000).]
 
Tjack, I don't think you were "looking for trouble;" I think you were "looking to secure peace of mind and body for your customers and fellow employees." ;)

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Shoot straight & make big holes, regards, Richard at The Shottist's Center
 
traitorjack; An interesting story! HCI and O`Donut would tell you as a civilian you should have locked the doors and waited for the police. That is unless O`Donut was the vic, then she`d sue you.
Rhetorical question, or is it a Fudism? :D What if the police hadn`t shown up and you had the BG in sight? I know what I would do. No, I wouldn`t shoot him if it wasn`t necessary. There`s been far too many shootings of "honor students" on their way to midnight basketball. :rolleyes:
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by traitorjack:
the kid said, "I'm just kidding man, here's your money back." he actually gave the money back.

It turns out that he'd been breaking into houses in the area as well.

the police did say that he was still committing armed robbery, what with the perceived threat of a weapon and the taking of the money, no matter what else happened.
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Traitorjack and Old Yout,

You guys handled this VERY well -- Congratulations. I am so happy that both of you and your customers are fine -- and that the felon is back where he belongs: in jail.

This was no joke on the part of this serial criminal. He was using his youth, his size, and his overall appearance to intimidate and to rob people. The police are absolutely right -- this was an armed robbery, with or without an actual firearm. Moreover, the fact that this lawbreaker has been burglarizing homes in the area only reinforces the simple fact that by getting this bum off the streets you performed a real community service.

This is precisely the reason many states have enacted a "three strikes" felony statutes. This criminal has zero regard for his fellow citizens and no respect for our society's laws and mores. He intends to prey on people. He should be locked up to prevent further crime, even if the gravity of the individual offenses would appear not to require a lengthy/life incarceration. Can anyone doubt this criminal would unremorsefully use deadly force if it suited him?

Regards.
 
I thinkyou did the right thing. You were still in your establishment, even in the parking lot, and making sure that your customers were safe. You were reacting to a percieved threat. The kid might have had a gun. It turns out he didn't but there was no way of knowing until AFTER he shot someone.
How would you feel if you had stayed in the store and the kid had gunned down your next would-be customer?
If the kid had confronted you and you had shot him... you roll the dice, you take your chances. If he threatens you then he has to expect his victim to defend himself. You have the legal and moral right to do so.
If I lived in your area I would eat at your place. You guys take care of your customers.

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Those who use arms well cultivate the Way and keep the rules.Thus they can govern in such a way as to prevail over the corrupt- Sun Tzu, The Art of War
 
Is it possible for you to visit him in jail and point out to him that his "joke" was a bad idea that he only survived because he happened to pick on unarmed customers? That if he'd played his "joke" on you, no matter how innocent, you'd have had no choice and probably been forced to shoot him dead?

I know this sounds like sentimental crap, but might that not be enough of a jolt to turn someone around? Or would it just convince him that next time he should have a gun himself and leave no witnesses?
 
Almost a Darwin Award candidate. I hope to God he figures out right from wrong before somebody kills him, or he kills somebody.
 
You weren't looking for trouble. You were acting to protect your customers. Good job.

In TX, by the way, quite a few urban restaurants have an off-duty cop patrol the place. Same with many supermarkets. Even in the "nice neighborhoods".
 
Sure am glad this worked out as it did...for TJ's sake. Personally, I think the kid/perp is too stupid to learn anything from this, unless it is to kill his next victim so the cops don't have an ID.
A joke??!! Gads! Some things are so obvious that they don't require explanation as to why one shouldn't do them

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"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" RKBA!
 
I think you did good as well. Be happy to eat in your place. :)

As far as talking to the kid-anyone think it might just make him go:
"Hmmm...I needa get me a REAL gun!"
 
Glad it all went well. That's really freaky about the kid giving the money back.

Just one point.

I suggest that you leave the restraints at home if this happens again. Depending on the laws in your area, if you try to cuff someone, you could end up charged with kidnapping or unlawful restraint.

Not to mention the fact that getting into touching range of a possibly armed perp is a very BAD idea.

Leave the cuffing up to the police. They're trained to do it. And even so they consider it to be possibly the most dangerous moment of the aprehension.

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Beware the man with the S&W .357 Mag.
Chances are he knows how to use it.
 
With all of the publicized "bad shoots" lately, I think it was you who were lucky. Some cop, itching to get some, could have showed up and blasted you! :eek:

Er, ummm, unless you live in Colorado, where the entire police force would have showed up and secured a defensive perimeter... :rolleyes:
 
Thanks for all of your support. I must admit that for a second there I knew I could hit COM, but like I need that kind of paperwork when I've got enough school work to do. I'm kidding, of course. Anyway, it's comforting to know that others don't perceive our actions as hasty or ill-conceived. Here's to hoping that this is the last of these kinds of stories we have to tell.
 
Here's a resturant i wouldn't mind becoming a regular at!

Thanks guys for the honorable actions.



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"[Even if there would be] few tears shed if and when the Second Amendment is held to guarantee nothing more than the state National Guard, this would simply show that the Founders were right when they feared that some future generation might wish to abandon liberties that they considered essential, and so sought to protect those liberties in a Bill of Rights. We may tolerate the abridgement of property rights and the elimination of a right to bear arms; but we should not pretend that these are not reductions of rights." -- Justice Scalia 1998
 
Just curious...

What kind of legal trouble would TraitorJack be looking at had he shot this kid and then found the kid was unarmed? We all know he would have been justified, but would he be in jail right now???
 
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