RKBA Litmus Test For The Bush Administration

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I say that George Bush and company must prove their commitment to the right to keep and bear arms by immediately doing three things.

1. Withdraw the Justice Dept. appeal in the Emerson case.
2. Withdraw the participation of the Dept. of Housing and Urban Dev. from the lawsuit against firearms manufacturers.
3. Completely clean house in the Justice Dept. This means the Attorney General, Deputy AG Holder, Solictor General Waxman and any other "anti's" in the Dept.

If this does not happen fairly soon, then we may be in trouble with the Bush Administration regarding the 2nd Amendment. Doing just #3 is not enough.
 
moa:

I agree with points 2 & 3, but disagree with them dropping the Emerson case. We have waited for over 30 years now for a case to take to the SC that will get them to finally rule on the 2nd. Most cases on the second deal with violent felons. Courts tend to bend the law in order to put these scumbags away. Emerson is different. He is a normal law abiding citizen. It would be difficult for a court to send a Doctor to prison, when his only crime was owning a gun while he was going through a divorce.

To me if they want to prove their worth… make sure that this case is taken up by the SC and then make the governments arguments so ridiculous that the SC is forced to uphold Judge Cummings ruling. If the appeal in the 5th district upholds Emerson, then the SC is almost certainly going to listen to the case. For they can’t have the laws not uniform across the country.

We really need a definitive answer from the SC on the 2nd. Emerson is our best hope of this. Who knows it may be another 30 years before a case like this will come along…. Worse yet, we may get one to the SC where the circumstances would force them to make something up to keep the person off the streets.
 
Richard is right. I don't want to see them withdraw the Emmerson case either. If we have to wait for another case like this to get to the Supremes, the court may be a whole lot more activist than they are now. Let it go all the way. Then a precedent can be set that upholds a private RKBA, under the Second Amendment.
 
I just hope W won't take this media driven idea to unite the country "crap" too seriously. I'm not buying this argument that the country is any more divided than it has always been. Nor do I think any serious harm was done other than the fact that voting irregularities were front and center.It happens in most states. I just saw W on TV with John Breaux...and I thought W fell all over himself saying how Honored he was to have Breaux visit him. Must have used the word Honored about a dozen times. He had that puppy dog look on his face...wanting to please his master....Breax's facial expressions seemed to indicate some kind of annoyance at being there....or else he had a bad case of lower intestinal gas......
 
Re-allowing the importation of the surplus M1 Garands is a very important indicator of which way the wind is blowing.
 
Don't hold your breath on GW. Does anyone think that he'd even propose to repeal some of the crap thats come about from the Clinton administration? Do you think he'll try and get the restrictions lifted that were just placed on the importation of "assualt weapon" parts? I think the best we can hope for is at least we won't be facing registration under his administration. Even though I'm hoping that he'll do some good things regarding this issue I really have no faith in him. Come on people lets try and get someone in there next time that's REALLY on our side, some one who will try to repeal some of this B.S. Eventually were going to have to get someone that's a true beleiver in the 2nd. amendment and the rest of the constitution, not just another politician who exists to ascend to a position of power and when there his actions are dictated by "job security" and not neccesarily whats the right thing to do.

[Edited by Bullpup on 12-15-2000 at 08:38 PM]
 
I agree that we will need to get a true believer in... but it sure would help to get a SC ruling to the effect that it means what it says. We could then have some real ammo to use to hold these reps feet to the fire.
 
The newcomer speaks the truth.

Welcome to The Firing Line, Bullpup. :)

We are being overly optimistic about President-Elect Bush. His party's platform includes support for a ban on the importation of full-capacity magazines, among other infringements. We will certainly stop sliding down the slippery slope, as we were with Clinton/Gore; but I don't think that we're headed back up the hill toward solid footing under this administration either.

I do hope that Bush proves me wrong.
 
G.W. may need help in seeing the "true light" concerning the Second Amendment. He has already picked two people as close advisors who are strict Constitutionalists on the matter: VP Dick Cheney and National Security Advisor Condaleeza Rice. That fact should diminish some concerns.

As far as the DoJ goes, it is quite common for a new President to clean out the dead wood from the top down to the level of U.S. Attorneys. That will, admittedly, take some time but all good works do. If Emerson does get to the SCOTUS during G.W.'s term, there will not be, IMHO, a DoJ lawyer arguing the Second Amendment does not guarantee or confer any right to own firearms as is going on at the Appeals Court.
 
Those would be the litmus test. But the acid test will be his stance on the re-up on the Crime Bill circa 2004.

We'll get plenty of opportunity to judge the Bush administration.

We will also discover if Cheney's votes on gun rights are because he believed it, or just because he was a Congressman from Idaho.

Rick
 
Oops, Idaho? I have skiing on my mind. Wyoming, that's what I meant. Wyoming.

We will see, now that he is "Vice President of the entire United States" whether it was the threat of ouster from Wyoming's House seat or whether he really believed it.

Think of it as the GOP side of Gore's flip-flop once he got on the national scene.

He will have ample opportunity to prove himself. Time will tell.

Rick
 
Know When to Apply Pressure

IMHO, we might want to give more, not less money and time into lobbying G.W.B.'s vs. Slick Willie's administration. We have our best shot right now at really putting the pressure on the power brokers. Bush owes the NRA big time and he knows it. It isn't time to be shy. G.W.B. won't do a thing for us unless we are all over him. His base is clearly in smaller states and more rural areas, where our point of view is more common. What we need is a couple of clear objectives. We can't go for everything up front. What two issues do we push for initially? What organizations, or front folks carry the fight?
 
Rumor here in NY is that Bush will offer the Secretaryship of HUD to Rick Lazio. (He is the guy who lost to Hillary).

Lazio is definitely Anti gun. This is not good.

The good news is that Cheney said before the election that Bush will rescind many of Clintons' exectuive orders establishing National Parks.

The big gain will be in the Supreme Court, no more Souters please Mr President!

Geoff Ross
 
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