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Rich, what are the guidelines and/or standards for TFL?

J

Jack 99

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Hey Rich,

http://www.thefiringline.com:8080/forums/showthread.php?threadid=34009

In the "Lesbians are cool" thread you had mentioned shutting down TFL. What gives?

I respect your private property rights and since you obviously own this board, I wouldn't assume to tell you how to run it or whether to shut down or not, but lately I've seen a few instances where pretty legit threads have been closed or you have posted warnings to members about content. The thread about "cop killer" bullets and the post regarding solid copper bullet penetration is one that comes to mind. You made the jump that the post was about killing cops, which wasn't even hinted at, not just about bullet penetration in vests. Irregardless of the fact that cop killer bullets don't exist nor was the ATF able to find any incidence of any cop ever being killed by a bullet penetrating a vest, you did not feel that the discussion was appropriate.

Your reaction to that and the "Lesbians are cool" thread leads me to believe that you have some standard for posting in mind and I was just wondering what that standard was. Should we be observing Politically Correct Firearms Discussion here? Is there such a thing?

You had also mentioned that you wanted intelligent discussion on TFL and if it disintegrated, you'd rather it didn't exist.
My .02, if you're looking for intelligent discussion, the web is probably the last place to look.

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"Put a rifle in the hands of a Subject, and he immediately becomes a Citizen." -- Jeff Cooper

"The fact is that the average man's love of liberty is nine-tenths imaginary, exactly like his love of sense, justice and truth. He is not actually happy when free; he is uncomfortable, a bit alarmed, and intolerably lonely. Liberty is not a thing for the great masses of men. It is the exclusive possession of a small and disreputable minority, like knowledge, courage and honor. It takes a special sort of man to understand and enjoy liberty - and he is usually an outlaw in democratic societies." -- H.L. Mencken, February 12, 1923, Baltimore Evening Sun
 
Jack-
The "standard for posting"? Perhaps I can answer with a couple of excerpts from the Policies that we all agreed to:

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR> [TFL is] dedicated to the discussion and advancement of responsible firearms ownership.[/quote]
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Language that would be inappropriate in the polite company of strangers is quite unwelcome here.[/quote]

See, we have lots of friends on TFL...Cops, Gays, Blacks, even Eye-talians. Each of our Members is important to us and we will protect each of them as we will you.

Does this mean you can't disagree? Nope
Does it mean you can't debate? Nope
Does it mean you can't be passionate? Nope
Does it mean that a discussion on defeating body armor (99.9% of which is worn by cops and many of whom are valued contributors here) is a bit distracting? Yup
Does it mean that if you allude to the belief that all WOPS are Brooklyn accented, Guinea T wearin', cheap gold hoardin' punks that I'm gonna have to take you out behind the barn? You betcha.

But then, these issues should be self evident. Perhaps, though, I'm missing your point, Jack. What do you believe the "standard for posting" should be?
Regards,
Rich Lucibella
 
Rich,

My 2 Cents.

Your board. Your decision.

Almost 500 new members since Dec. 24th.

Growing Pains?

What can the average member do to help?

I hope you reconsider. We need TFL.

Thanks for listening.
All the best...

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No fate but what we make...
 
Hmmm.

Well, I don't consider speculation on penetration of vests out of bounds. Given that bad guys wear vests now too and the fact that just about any centerfire rifle round will penetrate body armor anyway, it seems like a good subject for academic discussion. If you're asking how to defeat the ATF thugs that might bust down your door, that's certainly across the line.

Lesbian gun ownership is actually a subject my mother and I have discussed. No, she's not a lesbian, but her good friend is. After a couple of scary encounters, she's now packin'. So I guess most of what I've seen on TFL that you've had issue with is still on this side of "the line" so to speak.

Futo's "Lesbians are cool" post is certainly insensitive, its even a little crass, but not derogatory in any way I would define it.

Look, we like TFL and appreciate the bytes, but some people are always going to push the envelope. Short of advocating armed overthrow of the gubimint or suggesting shooting all cops and IRS auditors, I don't think you CAN police everyone's offhand comments. If it was a needlepoint discussion board maybe, but not firearms discussion.

Go ahead and knock yourself out, though. If I can help in any way, I will, but I think you have to define things a bit better to get the results you seek, if they are attainable at all.
 
Jack-
Now you're cookin' with gas!

You're correct: Futo's post, while insensitive, didn't cross the line. He's an old and valued asset here. Betcha he sees my point though.

So, now for the put up [or whatever challenge]:
I have $1,000, recently liberated from a Vegas Casino, that's burnin' a hole in the TFL pocket. It's yours for the asking. With that, we can buy you the UBB software and about 6 months server time. You can recruit Moderators from TFL. You can do a site in your own style. Or you can continue to provide us with gratuitous advice which is always heard, and acted upon when worthy. How 'bout it? Wanna put up?
Rich
 
It seems to me that some threads are pretty obvious trolls; this, for instance, wouldn't seem to have much value. Why not just nuke those threads as soon as a moderator sees it?

[This message has been edited by Gorthaur (edited January 21, 2000).]
 
I think I would characterize Futo's post more as naïve than insensitive. Popularizing firearms for self-defense and for sport amongst the gay and lesbian community is actually a topic I'm very interested in, but I have more sense than to start a thread on it! ;)
 
I'm new here, despite the SM tag :)

I'm also new to serious handgunning and to RKBA. I appreciate the fine help and education I've gotten from TFL.

I'll do my part by not indulging in flames or other antisocial behavior.
 
Rich,

Thanks for the generous offer. I don't think I'll be taking you up on it, however. I just don't have the time and I'd only get in trouble with my own board.

After reading the news about Sig possibly pulling out of handgun sales, I'm really getting the urge to put on my cammies and head for the woods as a militia of 1. Screw it, after all, Castro started out with 6 followers.

Consequently, any board I would run would have the "Revolutionary Tactics and Tips" forum and the "Home Made Explosives and Booby Traps" forum. I'm sure it would draw Federal attention.

Sorry, Rich, I'm just seeing red right now with all of this crap. I want a Sig and moreover, I want my son to be able to have a Sig someday. Doesn't look like either is too likely.



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"Put a rifle in the hands of a Subject, and he immediately becomes a Citizen." -- Jeff Cooper

"The fact is that the average man's love of liberty is nine-tenths imaginary, exactly like his love of sense, justice and truth. He is not actually happy when free; he is uncomfortable, a bit alarmed, and intolerably lonely. Liberty is not a thing for the great masses of men. It is the exclusive possession of a small and disreputable minority, like knowledge, courage and honor. It takes a special sort of man to understand and enjoy liberty - and he is usually an outlaw in democratic societies." -- H.L. Mencken, February 12, 1923, Baltimore Evening Sun
 
Jack-
On reread of my last, a real edge in my voice might have been interpreted. Thanks for being such a gentleman in your response.

Time and place for everything, Jack. Yes?
Rich
 
OK, now that that's out of the way. Rich, which game did you play to win the $1000? I have always followed the dictum, "Render unto Caesar's what once was mine."
 
Yes, time and place for everything. I just get ticked every time I hear about my Constitutional rights being usurped through more and more ingenious tactics by a-moral Socialist pricks. Legislative process doesn't work, sign an Executive Order, that doesn't work, sue the gun manufacturers. Bastards.

How did you win $1000 in old Lost Wages (Las Vegas)?
 
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