notahardwareguy
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I recently had a RIA 1911, single stack in 10mm. Really liked the pistol but would prefer it in a DA. I looked and could not find any info on if they offer that in a DA. Does anyone know? Thanks.
RIA 1911
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Aguila Blanca
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Yes, I know.
No, they don't. The 1911 is a single action pistol. There are no double action variants currently being offered. Try looking for a Para-Ordnance LDA.
No, they don't. The 1911 is a single action pistol. There are no double action variants currently being offered. Try looking for a Para-Ordnance LDA.
notahardwareguy
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Thank you.
I really likes the feel and weight, heck everything about that pistol but for the SA. Everything else I own is DA and prefer to stick with that.
I will give your option a look see. Again, thanks.
I really likes the feel and weight, heck everything about that pistol but for the SA. Everything else I own is DA and prefer to stick with that.
I will give your option a look see. Again, thanks.
Is it the 10mm you like?
Or the 1911 platform ergonomics?
If it is the 1911 platform, there IS something like a DA option: the ParaOrdnance LDA.
However, it is only in .45acp and 9mm, and in carry sizes, not the full 5" barrel.
Here is the link: Para LDA Officers' .45
If it is the 10mm, there are only two options I can think of, and one was mentioned.
The Witness lineup has a few options, starting with https://eaacorp.com/portfolio-item/witness-steel-full-size/, including https://eaacorp.com/portfolio-item/stock-iii-tanfoglio/, and https://eaacorp.com/portfolio-item/witness-hunter/, and ending with https://eaacorp.com/portfolio-item/witness-elite-limited/.
In addition, Sig makes 3 P220s in 10mm: http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p220-10-sao-nitron-elite.aspx
It is a question of what you like best: platform [1911] or caliber [10mm].
These are the only DA versions in town, as far as I can tell.
Or the 1911 platform ergonomics?
If it is the 1911 platform, there IS something like a DA option: the ParaOrdnance LDA.
However, it is only in .45acp and 9mm, and in carry sizes, not the full 5" barrel.
Here is the link: Para LDA Officers' .45
If it is the 10mm, there are only two options I can think of, and one was mentioned.
The Witness lineup has a few options, starting with https://eaacorp.com/portfolio-item/witness-steel-full-size/, including https://eaacorp.com/portfolio-item/stock-iii-tanfoglio/, and https://eaacorp.com/portfolio-item/witness-hunter/, and ending with https://eaacorp.com/portfolio-item/witness-elite-limited/.
In addition, Sig makes 3 P220s in 10mm: http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p220-10-sao-nitron-elite.aspx
It is a question of what you like best: platform [1911] or caliber [10mm].
These are the only DA versions in town, as far as I can tell.
Hunter Customs
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I don't know if the LDA is even offered anymore.
At one time Para offered the LDA in a full size 5" as I have one in 9mm sitting in my gun safe at this time.
notahardwareguy
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I am very farmiliar with the witness line and have owned them in 9 and .40. What I liked about the RIA was that it was a single stack, felt real good in my hand, had good weight, just everything about it but that it was only SA. It handled the 10mm very well. I would love that exact pistol in DA.
OK real stupid question (see my handle) is it possible to get a 1911 SA converted to DA? If it is possible, at what cost?
OK real stupid question (see my handle) is it possible to get a 1911 SA converted to DA? If it is possible, at what cost?
Aguila Blanca
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You might find a used Colt Double Eagle (double action) and convert it to 10mm. But I don't think the Double Eagle was ever offered in .40 S&W, so you would be looking at a new slide in addition to the 10mm barrel.
And the trigger guard doesn't fit holsters molded for the 1911.
And the trigger guard doesn't fit holsters molded for the 1911.
I don't see how a colt-pattern 1911 could be made intoca DA 1911.
ParaOrdnance lists the LDA on their website.
You would have to have a smith change the caliber, but i can see it might work.
Do you like the DA pull, or the 'safety' factor of notcarrying 'cocked & locked'?
If it is the cocked and locked issue, check out Cylinder & Slide's SFS system.
Hammer down and safe. Swipe safety and hammer 'jumps' to full cock for SA trigger pull.
If you like the length/weight of DA, go Sig p220- single stack also.
ParaOrdnance lists the LDA on their website.
You would have to have a smith change the caliber, but i can see it might work.
Do you like the DA pull, or the 'safety' factor of notcarrying 'cocked & locked'?
If it is the cocked and locked issue, check out Cylinder & Slide's SFS system.
Hammer down and safe. Swipe safety and hammer 'jumps' to full cock for SA trigger pull.
If you like the length/weight of DA, go Sig p220- single stack also.
849ASCO,
Great catch. Thanks!
I actually never looked at the P220 10mm as a serious option, so didn't catch that they were all SA handguns.
I am in California, and if it isn't on our 'roster', there is no reason for me to get excited or hopeful.
Thus, my 10mm options are Kimber and Glock, if I recall correctly. Thus the Sig may be cool, but it isn't worth going to jail to get.
I hadn't noticed that the P220 was a SA gun. I made the ASSumption that it was a P220, thus it was a DA/SA gun. Especially as all pics showed it hammer down.
Now that I look at it, it looks like a weird hybrid of a 1911 and a P220.
Now I am more sad about where I live and our options.
Great catch. Thanks!
I actually never looked at the P220 10mm as a serious option, so didn't catch that they were all SA handguns.
I am in California, and if it isn't on our 'roster', there is no reason for me to get excited or hopeful.
Thus, my 10mm options are Kimber and Glock, if I recall correctly. Thus the Sig may be cool, but it isn't worth going to jail to get.
I hadn't noticed that the P220 was a SA gun. I made the ASSumption that it was a P220, thus it was a DA/SA gun. Especially as all pics showed it hammer down.
Now that I look at it, it looks like a weird hybrid of a 1911 and a P220.
Now I am more sad about where I live and our options.
notahardwareguy said:
The Colt Double Eagle came in 10mm as well as the usual top 3 self defense calibers. From what I read on Wikipedia it was based on the 1911 so that would make it a 1911 style variant.
I imagine they might be harder to find but my guess is its possible to fine one used and sounds like exactly what your looking for.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_Double_Eagle
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Not all. 2 of the 3 Sig variants are. The reverse 2 tone is DA/SA.
Friend of mine has a double eagle in 10mm. I think they have the unsupported chamber like the delta elite. No hot loads for that model. If your not interested in shooting the 10 to it's potential, then it would be a viable option.
Mike_Fontenot
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NotAHardwareGuy said:
What attracted you to the 1911? I THINK what attracts most people IS the SA trigger ... it's not only an SA trigger, it's the BEST SA trigger (among the semi-autos). In fact, the SA trigger is arguably the only reason to put up with two separate safeties ... two safeties are especially appreciated if you have a 1911 with a very light SA trigger-pull.
What is it that you don't like about the SA trigger on your 1911?
The Sig P220 DA/SA isn't DAO, it's DA on the first shot, and SA for subsequent shots. Unless it's DAO you're wanting, the P220 DA/SA might be just what you're looking for.
notahardwareguy
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I guess I just need to "get over it" with the SA. I just like and am used to pulling the trigger, not having to thumb the hammer.
As I really liked everything else about the RIA, I just need to suck it up...
As I really liked everything else about the RIA, I just need to suck it up...
Mike_Fontenot
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NotAHardwareGuy said:
You DO realize, I hope, that you never need to touch the hammer on your 1911 (except when cleaning, or dry-firing, etc.).
With a 1911, you just need to be very sure that you always keep the thumb safety engaged (UP) until you are on or near target, and don't even touch the trigger until ready to shoot. And personally, I stay off the grip lever also, until coming onto target. Whenever you MUST switch the thumb safety off, for reasons other than being ready to fire the shot (like slingshotting the first round out of the magazine and into the chamber, or manually ejecting the chambered round (before cleaning, etc.)), it's especially important then to stay off the grip-lever, because that's your only remaining safety at that point. In those cases, I grip the gun well below the bottom of the grip-lever, to insure that there is absolutely NO grip-lever compression. And in all my handling (except when on or near target), I hold the gun with my strong thumb underneath (touching, and pushing up on) the thumb safety, to insure that it stays on. And I've made sure that the thumb safety can't get switched off in the holster.
What Mike said.
When you load your DA/SA handguns, your hammer is back already, until you use a decocker.
After it is decocked, you put it in your holster and carry it.
Then, the DA trigger pull cocks and fires the first round, and all other rounds are fired SA.
Thus, the concern you have about liking the DA trigger pull [unless you actually have one of the less common DAO handguns, but which exist] is more about the first shot, and related to safe handling/carry.
I completely understand that it is of concern.
For the first 5 years that I began to really use handguns, SA handguns [1911, BHP] made me nervous.
I liked the CZ75, except that my short index finger couldn't pull the trigger smoothly without shifting my grip between first and second shot- which I knew enough to avoid.
I liked the idea of the CZ75B in that I could have had it carried hammer down with a DA first shot, if I wanted, or I could carry it 'Cocked and Locked' like a 1911 when I got more comfortable with it.
Unfortunately, the trigger reach just didn't feel right. And it was thicker in my hand as well.
There are other single-stack DA/SA guns, but not in 10mm that I know of.
I will say this: over time I became more comfortable with 'cocked and locked', as people like mike gently pointed out the logic/reason that my concerns were my concerns- but not terribly big ones, if I learned proper handling of the 1911 safety.
Now I have 8 SA handguns that have to be carried cocked and locked. I still have my DA/SA guns [3], but I find myself unworried about the DA trigger pull.
So, yes- if you want the thinness of a 1911 and want it in 10mm, it will be most easily accessible in SA configuration only- in which case you will need to learn to adapt.
Or get the single Sig P220 10mm in DA/SA that is available.
It is also a single-stack, but feels more 'full' in my hands than most 1911s.
When you load your DA/SA handguns, your hammer is back already, until you use a decocker.
After it is decocked, you put it in your holster and carry it.
Then, the DA trigger pull cocks and fires the first round, and all other rounds are fired SA.
Thus, the concern you have about liking the DA trigger pull [unless you actually have one of the less common DAO handguns, but which exist] is more about the first shot, and related to safe handling/carry.
I completely understand that it is of concern.
For the first 5 years that I began to really use handguns, SA handguns [1911, BHP] made me nervous.
I liked the CZ75, except that my short index finger couldn't pull the trigger smoothly without shifting my grip between first and second shot- which I knew enough to avoid.
I liked the idea of the CZ75B in that I could have had it carried hammer down with a DA first shot, if I wanted, or I could carry it 'Cocked and Locked' like a 1911 when I got more comfortable with it.
Unfortunately, the trigger reach just didn't feel right. And it was thicker in my hand as well.
There are other single-stack DA/SA guns, but not in 10mm that I know of.
I will say this: over time I became more comfortable with 'cocked and locked', as people like mike gently pointed out the logic/reason that my concerns were my concerns- but not terribly big ones, if I learned proper handling of the 1911 safety.
Now I have 8 SA handguns that have to be carried cocked and locked. I still have my DA/SA guns [3], but I find myself unworried about the DA trigger pull.
So, yes- if you want the thinness of a 1911 and want it in 10mm, it will be most easily accessible in SA configuration only- in which case you will need to learn to adapt.
Or get the single Sig P220 10mm in DA/SA that is available.
It is also a single-stack, but feels more 'full' in my hands than most 1911s.
Agreed. The only TRUE safety is to keep your booger hook off of the bang switch until you are ready to fire.
As a police officer, I am fortunate enough to work for an agency that allows 1911 guns as duty pistols. I have carried a 1911 on and off duty for years, and still do daily, and it's never gone off when I didn't want it to. I have certainly seen others do it though...............because the operator apparently didn't understand the rule I laid out above.
My contention is that if a gun that is of quality manufacture, and functions as designed makes you feel nervous or unsafe when you carry/handle it, you should reassess your need to handle/carry ANY gun, period.