Revolution

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Steel

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When is the revolution set for? I am there. Let's all take up arms, march on Washington, millions strong! No tea dumping this time, just demands for freedom again.
Nice thought.
What is each of us willing to do for the sake of the 2nd Amendment(I've heard that all the other promised freedoms hinge on this one)? Drop the local yocal/nazi fed fuzz at your doorstep (tough one)... peacibly or not-so-peacibly march on your state or our nations capitol?
 
I'll go to washington

If Bush even thinks about passing any "resonable" or unresonable gun control law I'll got to Washington to protest.

Erik

MOLON LABE!
 
Simple things:

Call your political representatives.

Write letters.

Demonstrate.

Attend local, state and federal hearings.

Vote smart.

Do not advocate any illegal acts in a public forum.
 
Steel: TheBluesMan beat me to it--

Whatever we the gun community does, it must be--

- 100% safe
- Easy
- Ineffective

Also, in the future, you should stick to more popular topics. Handwringers such as "Can I LEEEGALLY obtain this flash hider configuration?" or "What States grant CCW?"
Those go over really big here.

That said, if you are serious about thinking of ideas (because I don't have any either)-- maybe email me and we'll go from there.
 
For all the noise generated over this issue, nobody has bothered with a simple and straightforward suit:

The M16 is pretty clearly the modern incarnation of the militia weapon. Someone must obtain an M16 through current legal channels (including the appropriate NFA tax), then sue for the return of the $200 tax on the grounds that it violates the 2nd Amendment. Such a suit would be driven by a citizen (not the government, as in a criminal suit like Emerson) and thus can be appealed to the Supreme Court, would involve arms of unquestionably militia-suitable use (unlike Miller), would unquestionably be lawfully possessed (unlike many criminal cases), and would directly use the clear legal principle that "a right taxed is a right infringed". Give the SC a clean, simple case that cannot be ruled any other way than to recognize RKBA as an individual right to modern personal military arms.

This case would be limited to residents of machinegun-friendly states (for case purity purposes), and should be done by someone adept at RKBA lawsuits. (I'd like to, but fail on both counts.)

RKBA activists have done everything EXCEPT ask the SC to restore the right. Waiting for a "clean" criminal case to come by is foolish, as is "taking up arms" when legal channels have barely been tried.
 
To add to what TheBluesMan said:

-- join groups that support our cause (especially if they do it loudly and effectively)

--donate a few bucks here and there, either to the above-mentioned groups, politicians on our side, or both
 
I think it prudent to add that I am definitely not calling for any real revolution or illegal acts. I just wanted to get people to think outside of "the box"...out of our comfort zone (a zone in which I, admittedly, often reside !)
 
Steel

I say we deliver the ultimatum in 2004 - Spread the news far and wide to the politicians: If the "effective defense weapon ban" is re-instated (called by communists the "assault weapons" ban, the revolution will begin the day the new ban passes. We've got to lay down a line in the sand and dare them to cross it!
 
All of the "Gun Control Laws" do violate the 2nd, they also violate many other Constitutional Rights.

Damn only if I understood law a bit more :(
 
ANARCHY IS THE ANSWER!

But it doesn't have to get you thrown in jail...

There was a previous thread (my bookmark no longer works) that discussed the idea of joining your local MMM-type organization with one or more "conspirators". After becoming established, start huge arguments over small details like "It's not 11 children per day, it's 12 per day" and that kind of thing. Volunteer for important projects, then screw them up and blame it on others. An example might be printing up flyers with incorrect phone numbers and misspellings. Mis-remember the times for important meetings, thereby throwing others off track. When attending rallies, conjure up the worst possible body odor you can stand and freely mingle with your "compatriots". Print protest signs in ink that is not waterproof :D

Other ideas include being so incredibly obnoxious during public and TV appearances that their message is lost and all that remains is a blithering idiot that nobody takes seriously. Pump valuable inside information to pro-gun groups. Divert those who are truly concerned about school shootings to non-firearms explanations like the "Prozac" link on my tagline.

Hell, at least you might have some fun for a week or two.
 
not that anarchy

Anarchy is the answer, but not what Longshot suggests.

Individual Ancharism is self rule. Fighting for freedom must start with yourself. You have to learn what the principle of freedom entails, then you must act on it, i.e. apply your understanding.

As theBluesman says, don't advocate illegal actions in an electronic public forum. The reason being, the internet leaves big footprints for anyone to figure out who you are and where you live. You need to understand security and privacy on the net and how to protect yourself. For TFL, they can trace you through your email address.

One place that explains internet privacy and security rather well is http://www.freedom.net Search the web for other info and products.

Having covered my tracks fairly well, I will publically state that illegal acts are necessary to be free. Again, this is for your liberty, it is not freedom to take someone else's freedom away, i.e. rob them, etc.

Main point: You have a decision to make on all laws - will I obey them or not? Don't automatically obey without thinking.

Obey those you agree with, measure the consequences of not obeying a law you disagree with. For some laws, the principle of freedom, security, etc., is more important than the consequences of disobeying. Disobey those you choose to. For example, you need a ccw permit to carry. Do you or don't you obey it? If I obey, my finger prints would be put into the FBI database. Law enforcement will know I carry. Positive - you won't go to jail for carrying. If you do obey and get a ccw, say there are areas listed you cannot carry. Do you obey that law (regulation) or not? Negative - you go unarmed and you need your gun. Or, your lifestyle is limited by not attending those places. Positive - you are not fined, etc., if searched while you're there.

You must understand that the laws are written such that no matter what you do, you are probably in violation of some law, ordinance, etc., right now. Make it an issue of living your life according to your decisions and not just automatically obey whatever laws are passed. For laws you do knowingly disobey, you must believe you are right and be comfortable with your action.

If you do not practice this decision making now, when the law is passed to take your guns, you will automatically obey. For personal defense against a criminal, you must already be at ease possibly killing someone to protect yourself and loved ones. If you are not willing to possibly kill state officials, most likely LEO, to keep your guns, then just give them the guns. You have considered the consequences and in your judgement, the principles of freedom are not worth fighting for. That's fine if that is your decision. For most people, it is much easier living as sheep.

To act freely is not free. Or as Voltaire said, "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong."
 
Welcoming any flames . . .

My guns do work just fine, and I'm sure the guns of many TFLers do too, but public forums, voting, education, lobbyist groups, email, snail mail, phone, and fax are quite suitable for the collective RKBA culture.

Revolution, really?

No.

Too messy.

Besides, what if someone really screws up the system after a revamping?

I know folks can make all these "die free" arguments, but let's be realistic . . . a man would end up eating roots and berries, constantly on the move, possibly little to no network for supplies and support. Of course, he wouldn't die like the sheep, but he'd be hunted like an animal nevertheless.

Fight with the mind now, not later. The RKBA movement hasn't evening begun to exhaust the potential of peacable protest regarding the erasure of rights-trampling leftists.
 
Revolution does not have to be messy.

Less than two years till elections, (2002 not 2004), and so much to do. Every elected office needs our attention. Every appointed position needs our input to those who do the appointing. Librarian, dog catcher, town council etc etc. Reps n Senators. We have so much trash to sweep out and so little time.

The redemption of our Constitutional Republic will not come soon, will not come easily and will not come at all unless we sacrifice a lot of the liberal largesse and keep the pressure on.
 
I'll stick to politics and Vince Flynn books as an outlet for my frustrations, thank you. Nobody is untraceable. No use getting arrested over words, egroeg - you won't be very useful rotting in jail. Nothing personal, but martyrs don't win wars.

Please give standard avenues a chance.
 
Your right Longshot, everyone is traceable, some easier than others.

Getting arrested is not a good idea in my book either. But words and ideas are more important than ignorance and slavery, even if the consequences may include arrest.

I hope that nonviolent way will change the direction away from more tyranny but, history does not support that hope. The statists already have the legal monopoly on force and they use it for their bennefit. For the nonviolent, Ghandi is an example. The government rules at the consent of the people. If enough people refuse to obey the rules without violence, the government will still kill some people, but it will lose legitimacy and fall.

I disagree that the fall of government always brings a worse regiem. That is where promoting the principles of self rule can lay the groundwork for a freer system.

For those chosing to spend your thoughts, time, and money on the political avenue, more power to you.

Life is short. Make the most or your time.
 
Fight the Kennedy's, Shumers and Finesteins of this country with the least expected tactic. Instead of devoting all of our resorces to lobbying organizations put some of it to use with private investigators looking at backtrails. With enough careful digging there has to be more than enough evidence to bury these people. The answers are out there we just have to find them.
 
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