Reversal of the Handgun Ban in D.C.

John/az2

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Let's see... They ban handguns in D.C. and it only took 20 years for the crime rates to drop? And they want to attribute it to the ban. Only 20 years... wow...

88% of homocides were comitted with a gun. 8,700 robberies comitted with a gun.

Remove the teeth of the law abiding citizen and only the wolves will be the ones eating.

The Site:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/daily/june99/district17.htm

The article:

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Handgun Ban in D.C. Under Fire

By Spencer S. Hsu Washington Post Staff Writer Thursday, June 17, 1999; Page A1

A rural Virginia congressman has proposed a one-sentence amendment to pending gun control legislation in the House that would repeal the District's ban on handgun ownership, gutting the city's 23-year-old gun laws.

The measure, scheduled for a vote this afternoon, was slipped without notice to District officials into a stack of other amendments approved Tuesday night by the House Rules Committee for consideration in the debate on national gun control legislation.

Rep. Virgil H. Goode Jr., a maverick conservative Democrat first elected to Congress in 1996, said he introduced the amendment because he believes the District's prohibition on handgun ownership contradicts the Constitution's right to bear arms.

"I believe in the Second Amendment. The Constitution stands above home government," said Goode, whose tobacco and textile district is one of Virginia's most conservative. "If you can't have a weapon to protect yourself, what does the Second Amendment mean?"

District officials, including Mayor Anthony A. Williams (D), Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton (D) and Police Chief Charles H. Ramsey, condemned Goode's amendment yesterday as one of the worst assaults ever on home rule and warned that approval of the measure would aggravate gun violence in a crime-besieged city.

"As outrageous as our crime rate has been, who can doubt that it would be far worse if guns were freely available here?" said Norton, who asked Goode to withdraw his proposal. "The Goode amendment would convert a compact city full of crime into open territory for guns as if this were the far West, where hunting is fair game."

Ramsey said throwing out the District's 1976 gun act could reverse three years of dramatically falling crime rates.

"We don't need more guns," the police chief said. "It's going to jeopardize the lives and safety not only of residents of the District but my police officers every time they make a street stop, every time they make a traffic stop."

The amendment drags the District into the contentious debate over gun control legislation, raising the prospect that lawmakers could crack down on gun shows across the country while wiping out a ban on handgun sales and ownership in the nation's capital.

But Rep. Thomas M. Davis III (R-Va.), chairman of the House GOP campaign committee and the House Government Oversight subcommittee on the District, said the amendment faces a strong challenge, given the sensitivity of suburban lawmakers to the concerns of gun control proponents.

"This is not only an intrusion on home rule; I think it's bad public policy," Davis said. "I don't think it will have the votes to pass."

The District made possession of handguns illegal after Sept. 24, 1976, granting exemptions to police officers, security guards, retired law enforcement agents and residents who already owned legally registered guns. The city made possession of an illegal weapon a felony in June 1994.

Although it is still legal to own rifles and shotguns in the District, the city has some of the most restrictive gun limits in the nation. These limits, combined with a drug-fueled explosion of violent crime in the 1980s, have put it at the center of an ongoing debate between gun control proponents and gun rights groups over the effectiveness of such laws.

Since 1995, 1,100, or 88 percent, of D.C. homicides have been gun-related, Ramsey said. Also, about 8,700 robberies since 1995 have been committed with firearms. Though both homicide and robbery rates plummeted recently to 25-year lows, they are still high compared with those in cities with a similar number of residents.

There are 99,000 legally registered handguns, shotguns and rifles in the District, according to police, who in 1998 recovered 2,368 illegal weapons – one every four hours.

D.C. officials yesterday acknowledged the problem with continued gun availability but said easing access to handguns would increase violent crime.

"The more people who carry guns, the more innocent victims who will be hurt," said D.C. Council Chairman Linda W. Cropp (D). "Allow us to make the determination of what is best for our citizens."

Goode's response: "I'd say the violent people already got the handguns."

Goode, who is not a member of the National Rifle Association but owns a rifle, said a vote against his amendment could be seen as a vote to ban gun ownership, which could be political suicide in some members' districts.

An amendment by Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.) would allow District residents older than 18 to carry an unloaded weapon for a "lawful transaction," such as a gun sale.

Norton said it was ironic that a Virginia lawmaker has introduced a measure to throw out the District's handgun ban. About 23 percent of the guns used in D.C. crimes are purchased in Virginia, while 20 percent are purchased in Maryland.

"Virginia," she said, "is more responsible than any other state for the carnage in this city."

© 1999 The Washington Post Company [/quote]

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John/az

"Just because something is popular, does not make it right."

www.countdown9199.com
 
Won't happen, but it put the anti-gun gang on the defenseive for once. Fun to hear them screaming.

Jim
 
Goode and Hunter amendments both failed to be added to HR2122... but the Cunningham ammendment (national reciprocity for LEOs and retired LEOS) []DOES[/i] overide local law in DC (and NYC, Chicago, Etc....). which sets a huge precedent for CCW holders....

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-Essayons
 
Gentlemen: Note the comment of the DC council chairwoman: 'Allow US to make the determination of what's best for our citizens'. Am I wrong, or are Democrats under pressure starting to make Freudian slips and say what they really mean, such as Mr. Clinton's comments on wholesale registration? Maybe they don't handle stress well.
 
We all know that 'compromise' means both sides giving. It would be about time for the a******s who are anti-self defense / anti-gun to start really giving something up when they expect our side to give as well.

It really burns my cheeks when they complain about lack of compromise, and they act like they've compromised by not getting everything they want.
 
Crime rates are down in DC for pretty much the same reason they're down across the nation - the economy is good.

While you can draw some concludions about the impact of CCW, e.g. VA has 'shall issue' and has relatively low crime in the 'burbs around DC. MD has discretionary (and pretty restrictive) CCW, and their crime rates in Montgomery and Prince Georges Counties are a bit higher than VA, but lower than DC.

However. IMHO. in the context of the economy over the last ten yrs vs CCW (MD no change in that thime VA got 'shall issue' CCW in `95, the crime rates seem to correlate more to the improved economy , though CCW has obviously had a positive impact in VA.

Bottom line, DC ought to get witht eh program and get some rational gun laws. However,, since it's full of liberal democraps and subject to the whims of Congress, it's not likely. I remember reading as story in one of the NRA rags about a woman who shot a pair of home invaders with an 'illegal' handgun after they had tied, beaten, burned and threatened to kill her and her two daughters. The idiot 'authorities' were going to charge her with a gun infraction, but apparently thought better of it. Gives some insight as to the mindset of the city that elects people like marion Barry (Mayor Barely).

Just happy to be in VA, M2

[This message has been edited by Mike in VA (edited June 20, 1999).]
 
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