Reuters - Senate Democrats push 'Safe Havens' From Guns

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Friday April 14 12:56 PM ET

Senate Democrats Push 'Safe Havens' From Guns
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Senate Democrats on Friday said they will seek to pass a resolution opposing laws in 22 states that let gun owners carry concealed weapons into places of worship, hoping to force Republicans to cast a politically sensitive election-year gun control vote.

Days before the April 20 one-year anniversary of the shooting massacre at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado, Senate Democrats said they would try to get a floor vote on a resolution to put the Senate on record in favor of bans on guns in churches, synagogues and mosques.

``The Columbine tragedy and others like it should also be enough to cause all of us, regardless of party or predisposition on gun issues, to draw some lines around those spaces where guns have no place and, thereby, begin to reclaim some safe havens in our communities,'' Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut said.

Twenty-two states -- including Republican presidential contender Gov. George W. Bush's Texas -- let gun owners carry concealed weapons into places of worship and a number of states also allow concealed weapons at school sporting events, concerts and other gatherings.

Democrats have pressed the gun control issue leading up to the Columbine anniversary, and their presidential contender -- Vice President Al Gore -- was slated to speak on it later in the day.

At a news conference, Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle of South Dakota and Lieberman said 23 Democrats have signed the resolution which they said had not yet been circulated among Republicans.

They said they planned to introduce the non-binding measure after Congress' spring recess next week, before the ``Million Mom March'' against violence on May 14 in Washington.

Lieberman said he hoped the resolution would encourage states to change their laws. He also said the next step would be legislation to force changes.



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Slowpoke Rodrigo...he pack a gon...

Vote for the Neal Knox 13
 
First of all, isn't there a seperation of church and state? If so, then the feds have no business suggesting anything.

Second, I think I read, in The Best Defense, the story of a priest who successfully defended himself with a firearm. Perhaps, this is someone to testify in front of congress regarding the subject.

"NOBODY steps on a church in MY town!"
-Bill Murray-Ghostbusters.
 
Thank God, I've spent every waking minute of my entire life including when I was unborn in fear of those horrible guns which everybody knows can kill by themselves and often may steal your car, as a matter of fact I think one broke into my house and stole all of my Hillary for senate stickers, I even saw it & it was one of those evil assult weapons because it had a detachable magazine.

As absurd as the above is when you really get down to it that is the type of garbage that has to be running through the idiots that buy this craps heads. I'm shocked that they are competent enough to feed themselves, one would expect people of such a pathetic mental capacity to need constant supervision/care.
 
Thirdly, arent all these tragedies occuring in "Safe Havens" currently established by the ever effective child protection innitiative if gun free school zones. I have yet to hear of a rampaging moron shooting up a gun range. How about a loonatic trying to go on a rampage at Knob Creek. Havent heard that either. I guess what they really want are safe haven for all thos elow self esteemed, misguded, poor role model dependent yoots. How could we gun owners be so harsh as to even consider shattering the self esteem of such a promising young memeber of society by setting him up to fail at his most dramatic efforts at attention. I mean if we could just simply deter these morons form their rampages, their self esteem would plummet and then what would we as a society do???

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"Liberty is never unalienable; it must be redeemed regularly with the blood of patriots or it always vanishes."
-R.A. Heinlein
 
I'd like to say that this is simply naive. But, unfortunately, you and I know that these cynical bas***ds know the truth - their 'ban' won't do anything to reduce or eliminate violence in churches. It would only prevent honest people from defending themselves and their fellow parishioners.

IMHO, this kind of effort is literally 'evil'. I mean that. I don't believe for a moment that these people believe that such a ban would truly create a 'safe haven' from crime. Hell, if this worked, why don't we try .... I know! Let's make murder illegal!

Yeah, that'll work. That's what we need! Why oh why didn't we think of this before!

Oh, it is illegal? Well, why isn't that working?

Lord, save us from the idiots in our midst. Then, please, see what you can do about the idiots in Congress ...

[This message has been edited by Jeff Thomas (edited April 14, 2000).]
 
Did I hear this right?

The socialists want to establish FREE KILL zones?

The bottom line is quite simple: I will NOT be forced to DIE (or allow my loved ones to do so) to satisfy that statist's "laws".

We all need to carry, laws or not. Millions of us. Get caught, and clog up the courts. Civil disobedience worked for Ghandi, King, and it's working for Elian Gonsalez and the Cuban exile community.

I already carry illegally, as the People's Republik of Wiskonsin doesn't recognize my right to LIVE. If I'm ever prosecuted, I'll defend on the 2nd. I am a law-abiding citizen with the right to LIFE. If that's so incomprehensible to the court, there IS such a thing as "jury nullification".

In numbers lie strength. USE THEM.
 
Has any crime ever been committed by someone who LEGALLY brought a concealed weapon into a church, synagogue or mosque? If it had, wouldn't we be hearing about it right about now? Is the government going to frisk us all as we go in or will churches be required to turn in their members? I guess it needs "clarification."

What a crock.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TAZ:
Thirdly, arent all these tragedies occuring in "Safe Havens" currently established by the ever effective child protection innitiative in gun free school zones. I have yet to hear of a rampaging moron shooting up a gun range. How about a loonatic trying to go on a rampage at Knob Creek. Havent heard that either
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Excellent point TAZ. Too bad our congress-yokels can't figure that one out.

Skyhawk


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Actually, concealed carry is the only issue the antis have lost in the last 100 years.

They need to whittle down concealed carry, as every person who carries is probably not a democrat voter.

One way to do this is through prohibition of carry in certain places. If there are enough of these, ccw becomes unfeasible in a daily routine.

Also, is to demonize those who carry, that they're somehow doing something perverted (i.e. not something noble like smut), and dangerous.

It's symbolic; but like you said, will play on the emotions of the majority who think carry is for people funny in the head anyway - gun control is an excellent issue for the Dems to push, plenty of fear and ignorance. The republicans will just continue to squirm.

Leiberman's line is one straight out of a "verbal violence" book I once encountered. Discussing this issue at the level he's taken it to means an implicit admission that guns are evil, and that areas where they are not allowed is safe. Even when you mention that this law would just make criminals safe.


Battler.
 
Don't think for a minute that they are idiots. They know full well what they are doing and they don't care about your safety. They want you either enslaved or dead.

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Somebody needs to submit a resolution establishing a safe haven from these idiots!
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I think what they really want is no more Waco's. They cant have loyal idiots being shot and killed while burning churches.

God help us please. The more I think about it, the firmer my belief is that the light at the end of the tunnel is a train.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>
They said they planned to introduce the non-binding measure after Congress' spring recess next week, before the ``Million Mom March'' against violence on May 14 in Washington.
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I intend upon being there during that march, of course on the good side,
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I sure hope one of those Mom's against violence don't decide to kick my arse.
I understand they've been having troubles handling their own emotions. And have been taking it out on innocent, peaceful folks, like ourselves.
So, just in case, I'm going to wear my big-butt bloomers full of stuffing to protect my fragile hiney.
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Oh, and yes, this is a pipe dream they've cooked up.
I seem to remember hearing some talk years ago, of a group of people running away from the real world, and creating what they called a commune. It was supposed to be a peaceful place, where everyone worked equally, and ate naturally, and raised their children to be peaceful loving children.
I think what happened to most of them was, they were spending too much time chompin on the 'shrooms, smokin weed, and eating up everything in sight.
Just ask Bill next time he has a fireside chat...

Safe Havens are places where ordinary folks go at night. It's their home, rightfully protected, from the scourge of our decadent society, with firearms, and the conviction and law to support them in this.
We are the tax payers.
We are the parents, adn grandparents who have the torch.
We are the voice of this nation, and it's damn time we made it known.
It's been said, time and time again, that we're this many strong. Last time I heard the quote, it was @80 Million...
If half that number was really aware, and concerned, about what was going on here, you'd have 40 million voters.
Now just how many people vote in the elections anyway?

(ooopps, just realized I was standing on this darn box...
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, sorry 'bout that)

Best Regards,
Don

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The most foolish mistake we could make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms; history shows that all conquerers who have allowed their subjected people to carry arms have prepared their own fall.
Adolf Hitler
 
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