Retaliation for SD

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jdm357

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I know this has been discussed in a few posts, but I'm just curious..

If you were forced to shoot someone in your home (or on the street, or whatever), and it was justifiable, and on the news, your name would be released without question, right?. Even if it wasn't a member of a gang, more than likely (unless they were just drunk and not normally a threat) they would have angry friends, and if they survived, they would remember you even if your name wasn't released.

How would/have you dealed/dealt with this? Of course they now know you are armed and willing to shoot, but wouldn't this put you more at risk (they would be more heavily armed, more of them, etc)? I'm sure this has been discussed very in-depth before, but I have only seen it mentioned in a reply post or two.

If it was a home invader situation, and you shot the person dead, would you move away? I realize it's(the fact you defended your family with force) much better than you/your family getting hurt/killed, but how does one deal with the aftereffects and the fear?
 
it happened recently, IIRC - cleveland man who shot a guy on his front porch.

deceased's buddies came by and shot out his window.

sd shooter moved out.
 
Yeah, I'd probably move regardless, if I didn't own the house. If it was my house, I'd take more measures to secure the place.

I'd obviously make sure the neighbors knew the situation as well. And I'd probably carry a couple extra magazines with me and get a vest.
 
had a force entry...home intrusion yrs back. i was inside and as the door was
being smashed in...glass and wood flying, i arrived to meet them with firearm
drawn, safety off and lined up to the temple of the lead intruder. as soon as
they heard me yell, saw me there (not sure if they saw firearm), they backed
out the door and ran down the street.

legally entitled to shoot. primary unit arrived and after cop surveyed, then
asked why i didn't. good question. but once the retreat began and they
were no longer advancing, i didn't feel my life was in danger/red zone . i
had just started tightening finger on the trigger at that point.

in hindsight, i have never regretted not shooting as it removed this retaliation
compnent from the equation. ....but this not what compelled me to snick
the safety back on. after all, the threat was moving away from me. had they
continued entry, the outcome would have been much more complicated, far
more reaching.....as I would have likely fired.

unlikely i would have moved.....strong family ties and responsibilities. but you
never know until you're really there living through the threats
 
This is one of those situations where you have to do what you have to do at the time and deal with the repucussions later. It makes me sick to think I would have to move because some punk or his punk friends want to "retaliate" when they initiated the hostilities in the first place. I just hope I happen to have much more firepower when they return so I could really give them something to retaliate. Either that or kill enough of them so they no longer pose a threat. I doubt it though. :(
 
Retalliatory violence is an unfortunate truth that just has to be dealt with. If you get tangled up in violence, expect to have to move to a new town to start over. Killing in self-defense is better than getting killed (or worse), but make no mistake about it: Getting involved in a shooting carries serious reprocussions.

CCW isn't a game, and it isn't a John Wayne movie. You don't ride off into the sunset, and you don't just pack up and go home afterwards. That "bump in the night," that dark alleyway, that odd looking guy in your path, these situations carry consequences. And, those consequences can follow you around for the rest of your life. Think long and hard about situational avoidance! Think carefully about how you use your weapon, and consider the responsibility which you have undertaken in choosing to carry concealed. Despite popular belief, CCW is NOT for everybody, and we must each decide whether we are willing to live with the consequences of our self-defense.

I made my choice. I chose life. I chose self-defense. I chose to arm myself, and to shoot anyone who threatens me or mine. ...and, unfortunately, I chose the threat of retalliatory action if I ever (God forbid) have to shoot someone.
 
pity

I honestly pity the moron who wishes to retaliate if I am to kill oneof their punk friends in SD. My brother is a Marine, my best friend and neighbor a former swat officer, my dad and I both very proficient and well-armed hunters. Needless to say, retaliation would be met with full force. If retaltiation is a threat, that moves us out of the realm of the handgun and into the realm of my Remington 30-06. I do recall one night before my family was planning a hunting trip (mind you, this means all the guys in my family were at my house loading up because we are closer to the lease.) A truckload of guys from a local high school came up with handguns looking for me. I had knocked their friend out earlier that day when he tried to carjack me. This threat was met by about 15-20 rifle-toting men all drawn down on them. Of course, they all decided it was better that they got on down the road.
 
I think I would have to move. Even if I had a lot more guns, and had 6 people in the house who were armed; they have the element of surprise. Sure, after they shoot 1 or 2, I'll be armed and hopefully stop it, but that's still one or two people. I'd be more concerned with them killing my family than just me - being a retaliation, I bet they'd be a little less selective. I don't know. I guess we can make up any scenario to this; that they're big-time gang members who show up with serious firepower, intent on murdering everyone in the house, or it's just two buddies of the guy who was drunk and broke into your house, with .22 revolvers, just looking for you, or etc. etc. etc. etc. etc...

I think I'd just move. I think the fear would overwhelm me. I wouldn't be able to feel safe living there anymore.
 
yea

Jdm...make no mistake, I would not stick around and putmy family's life in jeopardy. Buying a new home takes time, so does getting a new job, etc. Plenty of time to be forced to deal with retalitory b.s. I feel that is where having mine and my dad's gun cabinets around is helpful. Of course, if I felt it was a serious problem, my youngest brother and mom would be moving to grandma's house.
 
Deal with the possible retaliations if and when, but you can not let the threat of such turn you into a Sheeple. You couldn't live like that!
 
I honestly pity the moron who wishes to retaliate if I am to kill oneof their punk friends in SD. My brother is a Marine, my best friend and neighbor a former swat officer, my dad and I both very proficient and well-armed hunters. Needless to say, retaliation would be met with full force. If retaltiation is a threat, that moves us out of the realm of the handgun and into the realm of my Remington 30-06. I do recall one night before my family was planning a hunting trip (mind you, this means all the guys in my family were at my house loading up because we are closer to the lease.) A truckload of guys from a local high school came up with handguns looking for me. I had knocked their friend out earlier that day when he tried to carjack me. This threat was met by about 15-20 rifle-toting men all drawn down on them. Of course, they all decided it was better that they got on down the road.
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There's such a thing as good timing :p

However, keep in mind that retaliation may come when you are not prepared for it, and nobody, not even some of our stalwart internet keyboard commandos, can live in condition orange all the time. Shot dead from behind is still dead. Sure, if they are stupid enough to come around when there's a dozen or so guys with rifles, you're good, but how often are all those guys always going to be on call for you?

One small point: your name may or may NOT be all over the news. Around here, often, the homeowner's name is NOT broadcast. Something like "a homeowner on Bubba Street, here in Sugarland, shot a home invader this morning..." No faces on the TV screen, and often, no names. If it's a business owner, that tends to be different, especially, as is true of a recent shoot, when there's some question as to the legality of the shoot. But otherwise, you may not in fact ever have your name "out there".

HTH.

Springmom
 
Retaliation. A word that sends chills down the spine of any decent folk. And a very real possibilty. If I dropped some street demon, and his, er, "friends" had my home and family in the crosshairs? Moving away would be a foregone conclusion.

Lance Thomas, the jeweller who survived multiple armed robbery attempts finally gave up, closed his shop and does business on the internet--partially due to threats of retaliation.
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An amazing, and tragic, story. Thomas was all too willingly to stay and fight, but the gangs had threatened his customers. It was time to go. He's a true badass. A lesson for us all.
 
You've got a good point, Doug; it would take time. I didn't really think of that when I was thinking of "move vs. not moving". Even if you did move, who's to say they're not going to hunt you down? I realize the majority of criminals probably aren't connected in a huge web, but I would assume there are a few. I guess the truth you just have to be prepared either way, and secure your house accordingly.

I've got a friend who lives in the city. After a robbery, he barred up his windows and doors; and got a couple of dead-bolts on both of his doors. Seems like that should keep someone out, but I guess you really never know.

All these reflections/stories are interesting.
 
yep

Springmom,
I understand totally, I am just saying that we try to stay prepared for these kind of instances. Again, I lived off of Wallisville road in Houston, so the few of us that were not of a darker persuasion were usually fearful of the local gangsters. My parents got out of there as soon as they could, it was a nicer area when they got married, so we would nto have to live that way forever. I do not live in a constant state of paranoia about getting shot or something, 9 times out of 10 my CCW stays in the truck when I am out and about, but I still try to stay ready for the very real possibility of a problem.
 
another thing

Springmom,another point is that the news isn't always who spreads the word of what happened. After moving from hell-hole Houston to a samll town northwest of there, if someone gets a parking ticket, the whole town knows in a bout 2 hours. The media as their own power, but word-of-mouth in a small town is much quicker. Not saying it happens all the time,but it does.
 
A year ago in January, my son was attacked in a neighborhood park. Many of the folks on TFL know this story, so I'm not going through the whole shebang again (don't panic, y'all). He was pistol whipped, beaten, kicked, shot at, and robbed by four kids who got three bucks (IIRC) his cell phone and MY personal CD player :mad:. He staggered home, and as he was walking along our back fence (which backs onto the street) the assailants drove past him yelling "F*** you, white boy". The point is, they knew generally where he lived. They didn't track him the rest of the way home, however.

So when the constables finally got these creeps, my first question to the officer in charge of the case was "what about retaliation? can they find out who my son is, where he lives?" The answer was, no. We are able to keep track of THEM through the victim services website, but they did not know my son, and have no way of finding out anything. Since it was not in the news (the Chronicle would have to be the size of a phone book every day to cover all the muggings and robberies) and since the county was careful not to give them any information, we've never had a problem. But at the time, I was pretty worried about this, and wondered, like you, if we'd have to move.

Of course, we are prepared for self defense all the time. But no more worried about retaliation than about any other crime...less, really.

Springmom
 
what b.s.

I hope the cowards who attacked your son find some nice "friends" while in Huntsville. I do not wish harm on many people, but the cowardly attack certainly deserves something for it. I cannot judge, it's not my job.
 
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