Restricting Cold Medicine Won't Curb Meth Use (from cato.org)

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Restricting Cold Medicine Won't Curb Meth Use
by Radley Balko
Radley Balko is a policy analyst at the Cato Institute.
Despite 30 years and many billions of dollars spent on the Drug War, America's appetite for illicit drugs really hasn’t subsided. It merely shifts, as the same drugs (or incarnations of them) come in and out of vogue.
Inevitably, reaction from media, politicians and regulators to a particular drug's fashionability is overblown and does little to diminish actual abuse. Instead, efforts to thwart drug use often result in costly, needless hassling of law-abiding people that chip away at civil liberties (see the DEA’s relentless pursuit of Oxycontin-prescribing physicians for example).
The latest drug panic is over the rising use of methamphetimine. This time, the outrage seems to stem from the fact that some meth users not only make stuff in their own garages, but that a key ingredient, pseudoephedrine, can be derived from common cold and allergy medicines found in the local pharmacy.
Lawmakers across the country have predictably jumped into over-reaction. The state of Oklahoma – where meth use is soaring – acted first. Last year, the state passed a law requiring pharmacies to move cold and allergy medications behind the counter. Stores without pharmacies can no longer sell the drugs. Similar laws put limits on the amount of medication one customer can buy in a given period of time, and require customers to show identification and sign a registry before purchase. Those registries, of course, then need to be maintained and monitored.
About a dozen other states have or are about to follow Oklahoma's lead. Congress is set to act, too. Sens. Jim Talent, R-Mo. and Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., have introduced federal legislation patterned after the law in Oklahoma.
But even the government's own data suggests that these laws won’t work, and won't significantly curb the supply of meth or its use. In some ways, they'll likely only make the problem worse. They'll put recreational meth users into more frequent contact with smugglers and traffickers, likely sparking increases in black market violence.
According to the DEA's own website, most of this country's meth comes not from garage laboratories in the Midwest, but from clandestine "superlabs" in California and Mexico. These labs smuggle pseudoephedrine in bulk from Mexico and Canada and use it to manufacture street methempamphetamine, which they then distribute across the country. Cold and allergy medicine never enters the picture. It's almost certain that these superlabs would compensate for any small dip in the meth supply caused by limiting homemade "meth cooks'" access to pseudoephedrine.
Laws like Talent-Feinstein and similar bills in statehouses across the country do little more than inconvenience cold and allergy sufferers. They also create yet another way for authorities to monitor and track our consumer habits. These laws also likely make common cold medicine more expensive for stores to stock and, therefore, more expensive for customers to buy. The registries and purchasing procedures will lead to longer lines at the pharmacy, particularly during cold and allergy season.
Supporters of these laws commonly point to the alleged success local authorities have had since the law in Oklahoma was passed. Noting the Oklahoma law, Talent and Feinstein wrote recently in the Washington Post that efforts there produced "an 80 percent drop in the number of meth labs seized. This law works. We should copy it."
But note the metric Talent and Feinstein choose to measure the law's success: "meth labs seized." It's an odd goalpost. It says nothing about actual meth use in the state, just the number of labs dismantled by law enforcement. The number of Oklahomans using meth may not have dropped at all (an official figure isn't yet available). It's very possible that the law has made Oklahoma's meth users turn to smugglers and traffickers to get their fix instead of cooking their own drugs at home. I'm not sure that's an improvement.
Supply of controlled substances always rises to meet demand. It's similar to the air in a balloon. You can squeeze the supply on one end, but the air inevitably pops up again elsewhere. The total volume of air in the balloon never changes.
Indeed, City University of New York pharmacologist John P. Morgan told Reason magazine's Jacob Sullum last January, "If the curtailment of [pseudoephedrine] works, such success will be temporary. Another method of manufacture or other supply will be found."
Sullum himself adds, "After the precursor phenyl-2-propanone was restricted in 1980, traffickers switched to ephedrine; when large quantities of ephedrine became harder to come by in the late ’90s, they switched to pseudoephedrine."
Of course, the very reason we have a meth problem is because Drug War policies have made similar drugs like cocaine more expensive (though by no means eradicated). Meth is in fact sometimes called "the poor man's cocaine." Step on the "cocaine" part of the balloon, and the air pops up elsewhere, as meth.
If Talent and Feinstein get their way, it will soon be impossible to buy common cold and allergy medication containing pseudoephedrine at stores that don’t have pharmacies. At stores that do, you’ll be asked to present identification and sign a registry, which will be monitored. Buy too much, and you could find yourself subject to investigation. Between sniffles, if your head’s clear enough, keep in mind that these hurdles lawmakers have thrown between you and cold-allergy relief will do little, if anything, to curb the actual use of illicit methamphetamine.
So long as we're getting hassled, I suppose, at least we know that our lawmakers are doing something. Never mind that what they’re doing is misdirected, ineffective and likely to create more problems than it solves.
This article appeared on FoxNews.com on June 16, 2005
 
Good ol' Prohibition hard at work. Funny that the gov. hailed amphetamines as a miracle drug in the late 1800's until the Narcotics Act was passed. Guess what was in the cure-all-elixers back in the day, amphetamines. The U.S. pumped our boys full of it during WW1 all the while demonizing the Germans as drugged up souless monsters. Methamphetamine production by society at large is a direct result of Prohibition. Remember the roarin' twenties? The gov. has created a black market and basically makes so much money from the War on Drugs that it's too hard to get out. If you've ever seen the court reciepts stating where the money fined for drug related offenses goes to, it becomes easy to see how the War on Drugs is held afloat by the offenders and the rest by tax payers. Take away a law and you no longer have offenders. Without offenders, you no longer have that source of income and without income, you no longer have funds to employ your police force or the ability to perpetuate the status quo. If there's one thing we should all be familiar with, it's our govt's inability to admit failure when it's staring them in the face.
 
alan said:
According to the DEA's own website, most of this country's meth comes not from garage laboratories in the Midwest, but from clandestine "superlabs" in California and Mexico.
I always wondered how many boxes of cold medicine they would have to buy to produce any quantity of meth. Likely a LOT more than the average pharmacy carries. The restrictions at the consumer level are only to give the appearance that the legislators are doing something about the problem.
 
There's one good thing about restricting cold medicines. Most people will stop buying them because of the hassle factor.

That means that these same people will stop going to work while sick and passing around the germs. Which makes others sick and is the first step towards the yearly flue epidemic.

The moral: If you're sick stay home. I don't want to catch what you have and you feel like dirt besides. Another thing, the medicines don't work anyway so why waste your money on them.
 
Here's your solution...

I remember Jeff Cooper said years ago that Singapore had no drug problem, because anyone caught in possession of any unlawful drug was executed. He went on to say that if the United States were going to prosecute a war on drugs, the governmnent would have to wake up to the fact that in a war, people are killed.

So there you go - want to stop the meth "epidemic?" Execute the meth lab operators and meth dealers.

Problem solved!:D
 
Look very hard at this folks...it is a model.

First pharmacies wouldn't let you buy very large amounts of cold medecine.

Then it was a couple boxes.

Then it was one.

Then they moved it behind the counter.

Now you have to show ID and fill out a form to get one and they keep permanent record of it.

If it can happen to Nyquil, it can happen to ammo and guns.

The one gun a month rule is the beginning of such things.

This is a model.
 
OK, I'm going to have to wade into this. I like the Cato Institute and I don't like an intrusive government. But they are complaining about the Oklahoma law in a way that just doesn't stand up to what the GOALS of the law were. I never ONCE heard a politician stand up and say that it would reduce the number of idiots who abuse meth. That was NEVER the issue. The problem was that all these meth labs were springing up in OK. Oklahoma is still a very rural state. People were setting up labs in remote houses and trailers in the country. The local LEO's would eventually catch them. Then it would practically be a HAZMAT operation. Special training, special equipment. And the people doing this stuff were usually poor people with children. So you would have social services taking the children out of the place they were living right before the guys in space suits went inside. It was bad.

They had some interviews with the local Emergency Rooms. They told how many cases they got every year where some joker blew himself up trying to make this stuff. (As well as anybody else that was in the building.) These people would have burns over their entire bodies and no insurance. The ER's were giving the numbers on just how much money it was costing every year to treat these people. It was breathtakingly bad.

No doubt, people abusing meth is bad. But that's a treatment problem. The expensive and dangerous problem in the state of Oklahoma was the labs themselves. And virtually all of those have closed up and/or moved to another state. I don't do meth. None of my family members do meth. But one of them might have lived next door to somebody who was making it and actually have been in physical danger. That's a very real public health risk that leaves me totally OK with the idea of asking the counter help for cold medicine!!

Gregg
 
I spoke to a police officer about this recently. There has been an observed reduction in the number of "white trash" makers of meth as a result of the restrictions placed on the cold medicine.

A lot of these addicted souls used to make up enough to get high for a few weeks and to make a few dollars from their addicted friends.

What has happened is that the meth producing business has moved to Mexico where it is produced in great quantities.

Now there is a Mexican Mafia distribution network for meth. The bucks are big and they will kill you if you get in their way.

Meth is horrible stuff. The way it ages a person is almost hard to imagine.
 
Oklahoma was the first state to enact this law, and we just tightened it again last year. As a cop, I can assure you that it works, and works well. Our meth lab encounters have been reduced immensely, something like 70% since the enaction of the Nik Green laws.

I cannot speak for the nation as a whole, or even the state, but the majority of meth we encounter is, in fact, manufactured in small mom-and-pop labs. Since we have kicked the little labs in the teeth, the amount of meth on the street here greatly diminished. Granted, we are now seeing amore imported crank, but even this is far short of what was being seen.
 
By the way, someone asked how many pseudoephedrine tablets it takes.

800. Roughly 800 to make an ounce of crank. An ounce is a LOT of meth.
 
Since we have kicked the little labs in the teeth, the amount of meth on the street here greatly diminished. Granted, we are now seeing amore imported crank, but even this is far short of what was being seen.

Yea, now people are getting high off lysol (large problem on the rez) and extacy is making a comeback. Ritalin (Vitamin-R) is getting more expensive now that doctors arn't handing it out like candy. (Boy that was a great high when I did it back in my early college days) I work in the hardware department at a local store and sales of "bong kits" as I call them have been rising. (They act as if I don't know those sink traps will never see the underside of a sink) From what I understand, with the border being the way it is the price of cocaine has droped lately in my area because of oversupply. The #1 drug-O-choice where I live is still alcohol, followed by pot.

You can squeeze the supply on one end, but the air inevitably pops up again elsewhere.

So true in so many ways.

/Now that I think about it, I know alot of people involved in the drug trade.:(
 
One battle at a time.

To be honest, I would take a whole village pf potheads over three tweakers. There is absolutely no drug worse than meth, with the possible exception of Heroin, in my opinion. And no, we have not seen an upswing in alternative drug use. Here, the drugs of choice are pot and meth. We have not seen a increase in pot use since the meth thing went south. We have simply seen fewer tweakers.
 
I actually ran into this

We have 3 people in our household with allergies....

So when the generic brand of Motrin Sinus formula was on sale I grabbed two boxes

Got stopped at the self checkout lane......

The woman there said ....no more meth lab in your basement mister:D

Then she said " legally I can't suggest that you simply stop by our other store for another box"

That is truly what we have acheived....we have made it inconvenient for everyone....but actually stopped nothing.

Kind of like gun laws
 
The problem is, when you shut off one supply, you cause another. There are factories on the other side of the planet that make that cold medicine crap and it gets smuggled into the US in bulk. I think Jeff Cooper might have it right on this one. I personaly think most drugs should be legalised, but meth is truly a horrible epidemic.
 
The meth problem here in Missouri is getting worse. With the rise of meth labs we have also had a rise in other crimes as users try to support their habit. We have had several run ins with armed "cooks" on our property, and the mess they leave behind is not only toxic to breath, but is highly flamible as well. There are even mobil labs driving around in the back of trucks. Its easier to restrict the sale of sudifed than to stop them from stealing fertilizer. We have to do something, and I haven't seen a better suggestion yet. Legalization of pot wouldn't bother me, but this stuff has got to be stopped.
 
My prediction:
Pseudoephedrine will become too expensive or difficult to get for mom-and-pop meth labs in most states. Within five to ten years, some "new" concoction that uses some slightly different base but is relatively easy to manufacture at home (and is likely equally or more damaging than meth on the user) will come to the forefront.

At which time, we'll go to the grocery store to buy Ibuprofin or mayonaise or something and be told "I'm sorry, due to anti-drug laws, you can't buy that much." People will keep getting high and killing themselves while politicians claim another victory against drugs, and the wheel will turn again.

And so on.

Home-cooked meth is an awful and extremely destructive drug when abused.
Commercially produced meth (Pervitin) was distributed to troops on both sides during WWII. It is also commercially produced today by Ovation Pharma as Desoxyn.

liliysdad, I'm glad to hear that your locality hasn't seen an upswing in alternative illicit drug use, but I assure you it is coming.

Sort of makes you wonder what the next big thing will be. Maybe it'll be safer to manufacture ... or likely it'll be something that some Dutch chemist cooked up once to see if he could and then set aside the recipe because it was too dangerous to be worthwhile. At the time.
 
In my hometown the meth labs are going away one fire at a time. It's a small town of about 1500 and it seems like once or twice a month my buddy who still lives there tells me about a house burning down while the dough heads are cooking their meth.
 
Where there's a demand.... there's a supply!
Ever wonder why we Americans love those darn drugs so much!:eek:
Education works much better than incarceration but the later has now become a huge industry. If there's anything we like more than drugs it's those money making industries!:barf:

Rimrock
 
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