Residents begin turning over illegal guns of deceased owners

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While the authorities there seem to be treating this situation fairly, you can bet some ambitious soul will turn it into a witch hunt.

"The funeral directors, who had been unaware of the state law, have started passing on the information to grieving families. It has become part of their routine checklist to ask a dead person's survivor if he or she had any licensed handguns at home . . ."
I wonder how long it will take all funeral homes to start asking if the owner any assault rifles, "licensed" or not?
http://www.newsday.com/ap/regional/ap296.htm

Residents begin turning over illegal guns of deceased owners

SYRACUSE, N.Y. (AP) -- What a difference a little publicity can make.

A week after a newspaper article described how Onondaga County authorities were trying to track down thousands of handguns that belonged to people who have died, residents have begun responding.

Twenty-seven people called the sheriff's department in the last week to turn in guns. The callers said they were unaware that state law required the weapons to be turned over to police within 15 days of the death of a licensed pistol holder, or for someone else to be licensed within that time, Detective Ray Herrick said. After 15 days, it's a misdemeanor for the guns to be in someone's home without a license.

Before the turn-ins of the past week, the department only had received about 20 guns. Herrick said he's arranging to have the weapons recovered from the people who have called. Some of the pistol license holders died years ago, he said.

''People are saying, 'We didn't know what to do,' '' Herrick said. ''I'm sure a lot of it is that people forget because that's a tough time in their lives. It's a little more important to deal with their families than to deal with this pistol.''

Herrick's time also has been spent doing interviews with reporters from around the world about the county's unique project to track down an estimated 12,000 unaccounted-for handguns of dead people.

The sheriff's department may be the first police agency in the country to try to track down the guns of dead people, said Leonard Curry, editor of Washington Crime News Service, a publication that goes out to law enforcement agencies nationwide.

''I haven't seen anything like it,'' Curry said. ''I told Herrick all he had to do was hold a contest to come up with a name for it. He gets a zinger of a name, and he'll get a big grant.''

Herrick, supervisor of the Onondaga County Sheriff's Department pistol license unit, said he's gotten some complaints from people who said the county or the state ought to reimburse people for the handguns they turn in.

''It's a case of somebody taking something without paying for it, and that's stealing,'' said Clifford M. Kalb of Syracuse, a 72-year-old licensed pistol holder who has three handguns and doesn't want his survivors to have to deal with them after he's gone.

But Herrick said the guns turned in to police can go back to the families after they've arranged to get a pistol license. Or the families can have a licensed gun dealer sell them to someone with a license.

Once the guns are turned in, the sheriff's department must hold them for one year before destroying them. The whole process of collecting all the guns is expected to take at least five years but probably will last much longer.

Police estimate there are as many as 4,000 cases in the county alone. The licenses belong to people who would be at least 75 years old if they are alive. Many of the gun owners would be in their mid-100s.

Since pistol license holders own an average of three guns each, about 12,000 handguns are likely out there, either held illegally by relatives or unaccounted for, police said. Files date back to 1931.

A detective has so far found one case in which a pistol license holder died and one of his guns wound up on the streets, traded for drugs by a criminal.

It's likely that a good number of the 1.1 million pistol licenses in the state belong to people who are long gone, said Sgt. James Sherman, head of the state police pistol license unit.

Deputies stumbled onto the glut of unaccounted-for handguns in the county five years ago when they started looking for a way to reduce the load of paper records in the pistol license unit. They discovered that a vast number of licenses apparently belonged to the dead.

Sheriff's officials met with the Onondaga-Oswego Funeral Directors Association a month ago to tell them about their project. The funeral directors, who had been unaware of the state law, have started passing on the information to grieving families. It has become part of their routine checklist to ask a dead person's survivor if he or she had any licensed handguns at home, said Patricia A. Knight, treasurer of the association.

The county's project is getting started as a national debate rages over handgun control and how to reduce the number of weapons available to criminals. The project should serve notice that thousands of unaccounted-for guns would have been off the streets if people had known the law and followed it, officials said.

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The New World Order has a Third Reich odor.
 
The same thing will apply to any Californian who registered their "assault rifle." Upon death of the registered owner, if there is no registered co-owner, that firearm must either leave the state or be surrendered.

Seems to me that it's a "taking" of property without Due Process.
 
Fascist ghouls.

Watch ... this may become an important tool of the anti's. Don't confront the existing population base, which owns firearms and believes in the RKBA. Attack the heirs, and insist they turn in grandpa's / grandma's firearms.

And, as noted above, most people will be good doobies, and march right down with the offending guns, ready to aid in the destruction of those nasty tools. Gore's / Feinstein's registration schemes will (surprise!) facilitate such a course. What a coincidence .... registration facilitating confiscation. I'm shocked. Absolutely shocked.
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Fascist ghouls, IMHO.
 
Fascist ghouls indeed.

The message here is undeniably "You have no right to own that gun."

''I haven't seen anything like it,'' Curry said. ''I told Herrick all he had to do was hold a contest to come up with a name for it.
He gets a zinger of a name, and he'll get a big grant.''

It's true. This is so stupid, the only thing missing is federal funding. Here's a name for their program:

"Disarming Law-abiding Americans"
 
What country is this occurring in? I'm glad I live in the U.S. where the Secon...

Oh, wait, you say this happening here? Nonsense, Americans wouldn't stand for firearms registration or confiscation, they'd shoot back.

Unless they live in New York, or California, or New Jersey, or Illinois, or Massachusets, or Maryland, or...

Jesus, I am so p.o.'ed I can barely type...

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I want to be buried with my guns, preferably after I'm deceased.
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Here's the NRA fact sheet on Firearm laws in all states: www.nraila.org/ and click on "FIREARM LAWS" on the left side.

I didn't know NY state needed a permit to purchase handguns. Here in Illinois we need a VOID, er FOID card (Firearm Owners Identification Card) to have/purchase/use firearms/ammo. This card is good for 5 years and lets them have a list of who may own guns when it's time to round them up.
Blackie
 
So, basically the authorities are seizing the property of dead people contrary to the wishes of the deceased, their families, and their heirs.

Legalized grave robbing, anyone?
 
You Guys want to know how bad it can really get?

With the new consumer protection laws in Massachusetts, private individuals can only sell 4 firearms per year.

So, if your husband dies, and he has a 20 firearm collection, by law it will take you 5 years to liquidate it.

Unless you want to become an FFL in the process.

Furthermore, lets say he has a Glock 17 in the collection, if you did not posess a 'class B large capacity' permit when he died, you just became a criminal, because you are illegally in possesion of a 'large-capacity' firearm. I believe there is only a 10 day grace period to get rid of them.

The only altornative is to call the state police and have them confiscate the collection.

~USP
 
Hopefully there will be a reasonable amount of people who refuse to comply with this garbage. As upsetting as it is I'd bury them if I had to because you know they'd raid the ol homestead if someone dared not turn them in.
 
I would/will NEVER comply with "laws" like this. The term "INFRINGED" comes to mind, and I'd probably file suit on 2nd Amendment grounds.

If I came into any guns that, through "laws" like this had become "illegal", I'd PROUDLY own and display them. I am THROUGH playing "nicey-nicey".

"When guns are outlawed, I'll be an outlaw."

Wait a second, I already AM! Cool...
 
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