walkin' man
New member
I read this on AR15.com last night and thought many would probably enjoy it.
Quote from the author-- "Feel free to distribute as necessary" Jack99
Red_Neck_Suckers - I was hoping you would respond to my post. You may not
believe this, but I was thinking about you last night.
Mostly I was thinking how I pitied you and the rest of the semi-free world
who do not understand liberty, having never really had it, and having been
conditioned to reject true freedom and accept the propoganda and false
freedom of your own government, the world media and the UN. Unfortunately,
many in the US are also conditioned to these evils and have accepted the
intellectually void, historically unfounded, "guns are bad" argument.
Anyway, if you can get past your conditioning, here's my response to your
question.
From your earlier response:
"Jack99, Whilst I am obviously less intelligent that yourself because I hold
a differeing opinion to yourself, perhaps you would lower yourself to my
level to explain what you need to own and use a gun for. I am intrigued why
you think that it is your god given right to own a weapon that was
specifically designed to cause harm."
Here goes......
You're not an US Citizen, I gather, so let's start with a little history.
About 230 years ago, some incredibly gifted, wealthy, slave-owning, white
guys looked at Western Civilization and undertook what is undoubtedly the
most radical, profound political revolution ever conceived. Despite what the
history books say, it really wasn't about taxes, or troops in people's
homes, or the price of tea or any of that crap. These men were British
subjects, but taxes were lower in the colonies than in Britian at the time
of the Revolution, there was unprecedented freedom, particularly on the
frontier, and these guys were generally the wealthy elite who could have
been colonial governors if they had chosen to. They could have afforded to
drink tea until they pissed pure caffiene.
Another misconception was that it was a popular revolution. I don't remember
who said it, but one of those old dead white guys said that the colonists
were divided roughly into thirds, one third loyalist, one third ambivalent,
and one third revolutionary (sound familiar?). It took years of coersion and
propoganda to motivate the general public to take up arms against the Brits.
What was our Revolution all about then? These guys realized, 2000 miles from
their ruling country, that they had an unprecedented opportunity to revolt
and form a radical new self-government, where political power was vested in
the People themselves, not in a ruling class.
It was an ideological revolution which is still radical today, with the
Constitution as the Blueprint for Freedom. In this system, individual
liberty is the beginning and end of all government activity. That is to say,
government powers are only supposed to extend so far, and only with the
permission of the governed. Ideally, where my rights as a citizen begin, the
powers of government come to an abrupt halt. Conversely, the primary
function of government is to guarantee my liberties, hence the Bill of
Rights. So what we have is an incredibly radical new power structure, one
not truly duplicated anywhere else in the world.
So how does this explain why I need an AK 47?
What the founding fathers knew, and so many of the "People" have forgotten
(or never learned), is that Power is a zero sum game. If I have it, the
government doesn't, and vice versa. Even many pro-gunners miss the point and
we allow ourselves to be distracted with "rights" issues, that, while they
exist, aren't specifically addressed by the Constitution (right to hunt,
right to self-defense, etc.)
The Constitution, the Blueprint for Freedom, and the Bill of Rights, the
non-expiring guarantee of liberty, are about one thing: Power. So don't get
confused by other issues here.
If this is a country where Power is truly vested in the People, and the
government is LIMITED by the Constitution, then my ownership of an AK 47 is
off limits to the government. The Second Amendment guarantees my Right to
Keep and Bear Arms, and the Constitution limits the government to very
specific, narrow activities, which does not include regulating guns. So, not
only is this right specifically reserved to the People (or, even with a
loose interpretation, the states), it also falls outside of the boundaries
outlined in the Constitution for the Federal Govt.
Its a double whammy.
Why is it so important to us? Some people fear a tyrannical government
taking over (you think they're "paranoid", despite so many historical
lessons I could fill several books; but that's another thread). But most, I
believe, are more like me. We still believe in the Revolution and its
ideals. We ARE Revolutionaries. Power is vested in ME, as a citizen, and not
in the government. It cannot be taken without my permission, which I do not
give. Remember, its a zero sum game, so if the government can infringe those
liberties, they really don't exist at all, except in theory. Well, I don't
want theoretical freedom. I want the real stuff.
So, some argue, we still have freedom of the press and the rest of it, why
the big deal over guns? Well, the Bill of Rights is not a buffet, we don't
get to pick and choose. I don't like neo-Socialist rhetoric, but I'm not
calling for the abolishment of free speech, am I? Becuase I know that the
First Amendment is also about Power - the Power of information (way deadlier
than guns, in the right hands, by the way. Case in point, Hitler, whose
propoganda machine convinced the Germans to commit unthinkable atrocities; I
digress).
Many of us here in the U.S. see the slow, steady, reversal of our Power
structure. Our rights are becoming more "theoretical" all the time. Anyone
see the Dateline NBC story on the Louisiana police who are confiscating cars
and money from out of state motorists, without a trial (due process) and are
not even charging them with a crime or arresting them? How about the IRS,
which in case you aren't familiar (not being a US citizen and all), has the
power to confiscate just about anything you own with the wave of a
beaurocrat's pen. Both of these are examples of activities strictly
forbidden by the Constitution and Bill of Rights, yet it happens all the
time and there's many more examples beyond these.
So you see, it's not just the Second Amendment where the reversal of Power
is evident. Anymore, it seems that the Constitution is just a shell and
government doesn't exist for the people, rather the people (taxpayers) exist
for the government. Having never been and American, that's a subtle
distinction you may miss, but its the whole ball of wax to us.
So, like the colonists at Lexington and Concord (read my last thread for a
little history), this is the issue where we choose to make our stand. Not
over taxes, which are atrocious, or unreasonable search and sezuire, which
is rampant, or the seperation of powers (who said Clinton could declare war
all by himself, anyway?) or any of that other stuff, but over my AK 47. Why?
Because like our forefathers (80 civilians on a bridge against 1800 regular
troops; how committed were they?), we realize its the foundation of Real
Power. Without a weapon capable of providing adequate resistance to
overthrow an unjust, unConstitutional government, the rest of those rights
truly are hollow, no longer belong to the people, and can be rescinded at
any time by the government (many feel we're already past that point). And
then they're not rights, they're priveleges. Once again, a subtle difference
sure to escape you, given your conditioning.
If the government can take my AK 47, or restrict the amount of ammunition it
holds, or restrict further purchases of "Assault Weapons" then the
revolution is dead and so are the ideals countless thousands have died for.
There's a reason for the Second Amendment and gun ownership (ESPECIALLY
assault rifles), a reason those colonists on that bridge understood; its the
last of my rights to go.
THAT'S why I need an AK 47.
And just for you, Red_Neck_Suckers, I went to the gun store last night and
bought one of the last brand-new Hungarian AK's in town. That's why I was
thinking of you. I put it on a credit card (the wife's going to kill me),
along with half a dozen hi-cap mags and 1000 rounds of ammo. I've got to
wait to take possesion, the damn thing has an unwieldy stock and I can't
affix a bayonet, but it'll do in a pinch. And I promise to think about you
when I take her to the range to break her in.
So I'm a ranting, backwards, True Redneck (from Idaho, originally; Daddy
drove a truck), clinging to outdated, centuries old nonsense. That's what
you're thinking, isn't it? I'm sure you don't really understand any of this,
which only serves to make my point. If you don't get it, you're really not
free, and I pity you.
(Oh, and since you brought it up, I'll address God as well. My "God given
rights" are described in the Constitution as "inalienable". Look it up in
the dictionary.)
Feel free to distribute as necessary
Quote from the author-- "Feel free to distribute as necessary" Jack99
Red_Neck_Suckers - I was hoping you would respond to my post. You may not
believe this, but I was thinking about you last night.
Mostly I was thinking how I pitied you and the rest of the semi-free world
who do not understand liberty, having never really had it, and having been
conditioned to reject true freedom and accept the propoganda and false
freedom of your own government, the world media and the UN. Unfortunately,
many in the US are also conditioned to these evils and have accepted the
intellectually void, historically unfounded, "guns are bad" argument.
Anyway, if you can get past your conditioning, here's my response to your
question.
From your earlier response:
"Jack99, Whilst I am obviously less intelligent that yourself because I hold
a differeing opinion to yourself, perhaps you would lower yourself to my
level to explain what you need to own and use a gun for. I am intrigued why
you think that it is your god given right to own a weapon that was
specifically designed to cause harm."
Here goes......
You're not an US Citizen, I gather, so let's start with a little history.
About 230 years ago, some incredibly gifted, wealthy, slave-owning, white
guys looked at Western Civilization and undertook what is undoubtedly the
most radical, profound political revolution ever conceived. Despite what the
history books say, it really wasn't about taxes, or troops in people's
homes, or the price of tea or any of that crap. These men were British
subjects, but taxes were lower in the colonies than in Britian at the time
of the Revolution, there was unprecedented freedom, particularly on the
frontier, and these guys were generally the wealthy elite who could have
been colonial governors if they had chosen to. They could have afforded to
drink tea until they pissed pure caffiene.
Another misconception was that it was a popular revolution. I don't remember
who said it, but one of those old dead white guys said that the colonists
were divided roughly into thirds, one third loyalist, one third ambivalent,
and one third revolutionary (sound familiar?). It took years of coersion and
propoganda to motivate the general public to take up arms against the Brits.
What was our Revolution all about then? These guys realized, 2000 miles from
their ruling country, that they had an unprecedented opportunity to revolt
and form a radical new self-government, where political power was vested in
the People themselves, not in a ruling class.
It was an ideological revolution which is still radical today, with the
Constitution as the Blueprint for Freedom. In this system, individual
liberty is the beginning and end of all government activity. That is to say,
government powers are only supposed to extend so far, and only with the
permission of the governed. Ideally, where my rights as a citizen begin, the
powers of government come to an abrupt halt. Conversely, the primary
function of government is to guarantee my liberties, hence the Bill of
Rights. So what we have is an incredibly radical new power structure, one
not truly duplicated anywhere else in the world.
So how does this explain why I need an AK 47?
What the founding fathers knew, and so many of the "People" have forgotten
(or never learned), is that Power is a zero sum game. If I have it, the
government doesn't, and vice versa. Even many pro-gunners miss the point and
we allow ourselves to be distracted with "rights" issues, that, while they
exist, aren't specifically addressed by the Constitution (right to hunt,
right to self-defense, etc.)
The Constitution, the Blueprint for Freedom, and the Bill of Rights, the
non-expiring guarantee of liberty, are about one thing: Power. So don't get
confused by other issues here.
If this is a country where Power is truly vested in the People, and the
government is LIMITED by the Constitution, then my ownership of an AK 47 is
off limits to the government. The Second Amendment guarantees my Right to
Keep and Bear Arms, and the Constitution limits the government to very
specific, narrow activities, which does not include regulating guns. So, not
only is this right specifically reserved to the People (or, even with a
loose interpretation, the states), it also falls outside of the boundaries
outlined in the Constitution for the Federal Govt.
Its a double whammy.
Why is it so important to us? Some people fear a tyrannical government
taking over (you think they're "paranoid", despite so many historical
lessons I could fill several books; but that's another thread). But most, I
believe, are more like me. We still believe in the Revolution and its
ideals. We ARE Revolutionaries. Power is vested in ME, as a citizen, and not
in the government. It cannot be taken without my permission, which I do not
give. Remember, its a zero sum game, so if the government can infringe those
liberties, they really don't exist at all, except in theory. Well, I don't
want theoretical freedom. I want the real stuff.
So, some argue, we still have freedom of the press and the rest of it, why
the big deal over guns? Well, the Bill of Rights is not a buffet, we don't
get to pick and choose. I don't like neo-Socialist rhetoric, but I'm not
calling for the abolishment of free speech, am I? Becuase I know that the
First Amendment is also about Power - the Power of information (way deadlier
than guns, in the right hands, by the way. Case in point, Hitler, whose
propoganda machine convinced the Germans to commit unthinkable atrocities; I
digress).
Many of us here in the U.S. see the slow, steady, reversal of our Power
structure. Our rights are becoming more "theoretical" all the time. Anyone
see the Dateline NBC story on the Louisiana police who are confiscating cars
and money from out of state motorists, without a trial (due process) and are
not even charging them with a crime or arresting them? How about the IRS,
which in case you aren't familiar (not being a US citizen and all), has the
power to confiscate just about anything you own with the wave of a
beaurocrat's pen. Both of these are examples of activities strictly
forbidden by the Constitution and Bill of Rights, yet it happens all the
time and there's many more examples beyond these.
So you see, it's not just the Second Amendment where the reversal of Power
is evident. Anymore, it seems that the Constitution is just a shell and
government doesn't exist for the people, rather the people (taxpayers) exist
for the government. Having never been and American, that's a subtle
distinction you may miss, but its the whole ball of wax to us.
So, like the colonists at Lexington and Concord (read my last thread for a
little history), this is the issue where we choose to make our stand. Not
over taxes, which are atrocious, or unreasonable search and sezuire, which
is rampant, or the seperation of powers (who said Clinton could declare war
all by himself, anyway?) or any of that other stuff, but over my AK 47. Why?
Because like our forefathers (80 civilians on a bridge against 1800 regular
troops; how committed were they?), we realize its the foundation of Real
Power. Without a weapon capable of providing adequate resistance to
overthrow an unjust, unConstitutional government, the rest of those rights
truly are hollow, no longer belong to the people, and can be rescinded at
any time by the government (many feel we're already past that point). And
then they're not rights, they're priveleges. Once again, a subtle difference
sure to escape you, given your conditioning.
If the government can take my AK 47, or restrict the amount of ammunition it
holds, or restrict further purchases of "Assault Weapons" then the
revolution is dead and so are the ideals countless thousands have died for.
There's a reason for the Second Amendment and gun ownership (ESPECIALLY
assault rifles), a reason those colonists on that bridge understood; its the
last of my rights to go.
THAT'S why I need an AK 47.
And just for you, Red_Neck_Suckers, I went to the gun store last night and
bought one of the last brand-new Hungarian AK's in town. That's why I was
thinking of you. I put it on a credit card (the wife's going to kill me),
along with half a dozen hi-cap mags and 1000 rounds of ammo. I've got to
wait to take possesion, the damn thing has an unwieldy stock and I can't
affix a bayonet, but it'll do in a pinch. And I promise to think about you
when I take her to the range to break her in.
So I'm a ranting, backwards, True Redneck (from Idaho, originally; Daddy
drove a truck), clinging to outdated, centuries old nonsense. That's what
you're thinking, isn't it? I'm sure you don't really understand any of this,
which only serves to make my point. If you don't get it, you're really not
free, and I pity you.
(Oh, and since you brought it up, I'll address God as well. My "God given
rights" are described in the Constitution as "inalienable". Look it up in
the dictionary.)
Feel free to distribute as necessary
