Reporter has missing Rove e-mails

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And he says they have more to do with stolen elections than fired attorneys.



Investigative reporter Greg Palast says 4.5 million votes will be shoplifted in 2008, thanks largely to the “Rove-bots” that have been placed in the Justice Department following the U.S. Attorney firings. Being the guy who uncovered the voter “purge lists” of 2000 that disenfranchised black voters, he’s worth listening to, even if the mainstream press chooses not to.

This time around, he claims to have 500 emails that the House subpoenaed and Karl Rove claims were deleted forever. They prove definitively, says Palast, that the Justice Department is infested with operatives taking orders from Rove to steal upcoming elections for Republicans and permanently alter the Department.



JEFF DIEHL: First off, the “lost” emails. I guess you’re confident those 500 emails aren’t themselves a hoax? Considering the source? [John Wooden, the man behind the spoof site, whitehouse.org, forwarded them on to Palast after someone accidentally sent them to Wooden’s georgewbush.org domain.]

GREG PALAST: Oddly, the GOP verified their authenticity to BBC. I almost fell over dead when they did that.

JD: How did they do that exactly?

GP: We asked them on camera. They did not deny they were the party’s internal emails — just disagreed what the “caging” lists were. Saying, for example, they were “donor” lists. Men in homeless shelters?

Remember, there’s no First Amendment in England. I’m wrong, I’m sued, I’m broke, I’m toast.

JD: Let’s move on to former Justice Department counsel (and Regent University graduate) Monica Goodling’s recent testimony in front of the House Judiciary Committee, since it’s so fresh…

GP: The blondeling underling of the Police State. The lady was trying to tell us something important, but the dim bulbs of the U.S. press and the committee dolts wouldn’t listen. She began by accusing her bosses of perjury. The issue was her allegation that they knew all about “caging.” And no one asked her one damn question about it. Like what is “caging” and why would they commit perjury to cover it up?

JD: Rep. Linda Sanchez (D-CA) asked, and Goodling said, “It has to do with direct mail.”

GP: And that was it. D’oh! It’s not about “direct mail.” Direct mail has to do with Victoria’s Secret and stuff like that. This was all about stealing the 2004 — and 2008 — elections. That’s why she wanted immunity. She was afraid it would all unravel, the caging game…but she had nothing to fear.

JD: Well, it is a direct mail term, but it’s also a voter supression term. Do no senators know that, not even Committee Chair John Conyers?

GP: Conyers knows — and he knows me. He’s keeping his powder dry. The others are clueless.

Caging works like this. Hundreds of thousands of Black and Hispanic voters were sent letters — do not forward. Letters returned as undeliverable (”caged”) were used as evidence the voter didn’t live at their registered address. The GOP goons challenged these voters’ right to cast ballots — and their votes were lost.

But whose letters were caged? Here’s where the game turns to deep evil. They targeted Black students on vacation, homeless men — and you’ll love this — Black soldiers sent overseas. They weren’t living at their home voting address because they were shivering under a Humvee in Falluja.

JD: As you put it in regard to election rigging, 2000 was about “purge lists,” 2004 was about “caging,” and 2008 will be about “verification.” Can you briefly explain the difference between these?

GP: Sure. In 2000, I cracked the computer disks (CD-ROMs then) from Katherine Harris’ office showing 56,000 names of voters “purged” from voter rolls as felons who aren’t allowed to vote. In fact, every one — every one — was an innocent voter, though most were guilty of VWB — Voting While Black. That was the 2000 “purge.”

In 2004, it was nearly identical. Except, instead of calling voters “felons,” they called them “suspect” voters, fraudulently using a false voting address. The effect was the same: the voter would lose their registration; or their vote on election day when they showed to vote; or, in the case of soldiers, their absentee ballot would be challenged and tossed.

JD: You claim the reason for Democrat inaction in election scandals is because of racism, that the white caucus is bigger than the black caucus. But don’t Democrats gain by making sure black people are enfranchised?

GP: Which Democrats? The huge purge and block of voters in Georgia [were done by] reptiles like Zell Miller in control of the Georgia Democratic Party. There’s an awful lot of Democrats who would not win primaries if dark-skinned citizens could just vote any time they pleased.

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I can't believe how this is being ignored by the media. There were over 1000 stories about american idol on google earlier. I found 10 about this. :confused:
 
I’m sure I could find accreditation that the Martians have landed if I searched enough “Webzines”. :barf::D
 
Probably because of his reputation as biased, sloppy and over-the-top

His reputation didn't stop the lawsuit in florida did it? I don't really see how his reputation matters in this case, Monica Goodling admitted that it happened.

I’m sure I could find accreditation that the Martians have landed if I searched enough “Webzines”.
I'm sure you couldn't get real proof of it though...
 
I heard that Rove has implanted special super-secret computer chips into our national security computers, and that he's also created a secret national security force to respond to the zombie uprising that we all know will happen sometime in the future.

Sometime....:eek:
 
Hahahahahaha.... having corrupt politicians screw millions of people out of their votes makes me laugh too. So does torture, illegal wars, keeping people in prison without trial, warrantless wiretaps, no knock warrants, no child left behind act, patriot act, john warner defense authorization act, no-bid contracts, trying to build missle shields, fanatic christians controlling the whole government and signing statements. All of those things are hilarious and I'm sure I could think of more funny things that can be traced to these people. :rolleyes:

Grow up, this is not something to make jokes about. This country is being destroyed by these thugs.
 
In my own town, I built a voter purge list of about 1,600 people, because the supervisors have kept some people on the list for years who sold their home in town. It was a straightforward comparison between two public data sources.

Undoubtedly I'll be accused of "disenfranchising" someone by the local leftists.
 
People really need to get over this left vs. right BS too. You are an American before you are a republican or democrat.
 
Grow up, this is not something to make jokes about. This country is being destroyed by these thugs.

Nobody is laughing at people possibly losing rights through injustices. They are laughing at those who see a conspiracy behind ever blade of grass.
 
They are laughing at those who see a conspiracy behind ever blade of grass.
Who is that?

It isn't a conspiracy theory if it has been verified by more than one person and plenty of evidence.
 
having corrupt politicians screw millions of people out of their votes makes me laugh too. So does torture, illegal wars, keeping people in prison without trial, warrantless wiretaps, no knock warrants, no child left behind act, patriot act, john warner defense authorization act, no-bid contracts, trying to build missle shields, fanatic christians controlling the whole government and signing statements. All of those things are hilarious and I'm sure I could think of more funny things that can be traced to these people.

Grow up, this is not something to make jokes about. This country is being destroyed by these thugs.

+1. b22 is right. Doesn't sound like conspiracy to me, when the repubs admitted that the emails were real.


In my own town, I built a voter purge list of about 1,600 people, because the supervisors have kept some people on the list for years who sold their home in town. It was a straightforward comparison between two public data sources.

Undoubtedly I'll be accused of "disenfranchising" someone by the local leftists

Why on earth would you be accused of that? Did you take off only those folks whom you knew to be black men fighting overseas? No? Then it's apples and oranges, and has zero to do with the discussion. Did you read the article?

If you put "Do not forward" on the dadgummed mail, then you can NOT use that as evidence for not living in the jurisdiction just because they were returned as "undeliverable". "Undeliverable" only has meaning if there is no forwarding order in place - i.e. if they moved and left no forwarding address. If you mark the letter "do not forward", then you get a false positive - shows undeliverable even when it's highly deliverable - when it should just be merely forwarded to the new address when someone moves. By doing what they did (allegedly), they included those who merely moved to a new address, and most people, when they move, move within the same state (though not always), and the state level is the important level for the presidential electoral college system. Couple this with the fact that the list TARGETED those overseas (still domiciling at the old address, just temporarily stationed overseas, yet getting their mail forwarded to a relative to take care of bills, or to themselves overseas), in a class that is thought to contain people more likely to vote for Democrats (in this case, black folks), it is quite insidious (if true). It's far from laughable.

Frankly, I'm glad neither Algore nor Kerry got into power, but it's still wrong to take away people's voting rights from political motivations.
 
And that "leftist" and "conpiracy theorist" stuff is one of the weakest arguements I have ever heard. It's scary that people fall for it and try to use it in an actual debate. It's called an ad hominem attack and it's a technique used when someone can't think of a better arguement. Malkin and O'Reilly tried to use it against Ron Paul after the fox debate.
 
Who is that?

Me, for one. I love conspiracy theorists. They are a great diversion.

+1. b22 is right. Doesn't sound like conspiracy to me, when the repubs admitted that the emails were real.

Perhaps you missed this part:

GREG PALAST: Oddly, the GOP verified their authenticity to BBC. I almost fell over dead when they did that.

JD: How did they do that exactly?

GP: We asked them on camera. They did not deny they were the party’s internal emails — just disagreed what the “caging” lists were. Saying, for example, they were “donor” lists. Men in homeless shelters?

So the absence of a direct denial is an affirmation in his world; but, just for fun, let's see how this works in the real world:

"Your Honor. The accused has failed to testify on his own behalf; and the absence of his denial of his guilt is glaring proof that he perpetrated the crime. Thereby, justice demands that you find the defendant guilty as charged and impose the maximum sentence under the law."

Yeah. That works.
 
Cute; attach a suspicious-sounding label to an activity and vilify it.

Yes, the underlying activities cited in the article have been verified and there is plenty of evidence.

States do compare lists of felons to voter registration lists. Maybe some people see a nefarious plot in voting officials enforcing laws against felons voting.

Political parties and individual citizens can, and do, challenge stale and inaccurate voter registrations. The concept of 'one person, one vote' seems reasonable and preferable to the Chicago school of 'vote from the grave."
 
States do compare lists of felons to voter registration lists. Maybe some people see a nefarious plot in voting officials enforcing laws against felons voting.
They weren't felons though.
 
States do compare lists of felons to voter registration lists.

Of course they do. What's that got to do with comparing lists of people who are not felons, but rather black students and black soldiers, and the homelss, to voter registration lists? They implicitly admit that they're not felon lists by naming them "suspect voter" lists.

Answer: Not one scintilla. Ergo, you entire post is a red herring and waste of bandwidth. Bzzzt, try again.

Jimpeel. Good point. But, are you trying to argue that the repubs are telling the truth by claiming that the caging lists are in fact 'donor lists'? Do you know quite a few homeless guys that donate to political campaigns?
 
Do you know quite a few homeless guys that donate to political campaigns?

They donate their vote. That's good enough for any party.

The fact is that if you are homeless you cannot vote. How are you going to show a current voter registration that shows your address is over 90 days old? Have you ever moved within the 90 days prior to an election and, by that simple act, are disallowed from voting? There is no way to register so you are simply not allowed to vote. If you use your old address and go to the polls and vote anyway, you are guilty of fraud.

There is nothing wrong with keeping a list of those who are disallowed from voting just as the other party keeps that same list in an effort to get them to vote illegally. Would you decry a list of names of those interred in the local cemeteries as a "caging" list?

To decry one list as illegal because they are attempting to prevent illegal voting is to deny the illegality of the effort in place to use that same list by the opposition to promote illegal voting.
 
Apply a little logic to the questions.

How does one go about obtaining lists of "black students and black soldiers, and the homeless?"

Why are "students on vacation" not getting their mail? Could it be that they are at home (their permanent residence) during the vacation? If so, why are they registered to vote at their temporary school location?

Where is a "homeless" person's residence? If a person really has no residence, how can they legally register to vote? Or if a homeless person can just claim any place as a residence, what prevents them from registering to vote in many locations?

BTW, how many "homeless" people do you think are politically aware and chomping at the bit to vote? Talk about red herrings!

The entire content of the article is nothing more than political "sour grapes" wrapped in feel-good language. If Party A comes up with an idea, Party B complains about it now, but will adopt the same tactics in the next election cycle.
 
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