Remington,Winchester,Browning????

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Pj0759@aol.com

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Hello everyone,I have deceided to get me a rifle,looking for some input. I have been leaning toward the Rem 700,anyone have the fluted,stainless version? Which caliber do you guys recommend? I mostly just want to punch paper etc,maybe some out of state varmit hunting,maybe larger game occasionaly,but mostly paper killing for now. I am totally open to comments,suggestions as this is a new area for me..Thank...PJ
 
I only have a Rem 700 VS in .308. I want nothing else at this time. Leupold 6.5x20 LRT scope on top. It constantly shoots under 1 moa at any range. I ahd a just slightly higher than 1/2 moa at 200 yards the other day. A great rifle for punching paper, varmints (110 gr V-max work great), and long range.
 
Just a follow question here..what does MOA stand for? I am hoping everyone is of the opinion there are no stupid questions,for my sake anyway..Thanks..PJ
 
MOA stands for Minute of Angle. A minute of angle is 1/60 of a degree. The marks on the old protractor you had in grade school were one degree or 1/360 of a circle. MOA was originally used for artillery calculations, but (by coincidence) one MOA is almost exactly one inch at 100 yards (2" at 200, 3" at 300, etc.).

So a series of shots whose bullets form a group of holes in a target at 100 yards that is one inch between the centers of the widest shots is said to be a Minute of Angle group. A rifle capable of putting its bullets into a MOA or smaller group is said to "shoot MOA" or be "a MOA rifle."

Note that business about center to center of bullet holes. That is why a group from a very accurate rifle with very accurate ammunition will sometimes measure LESS than the diameter of the bullet. The rifle may be, let us say, .308" caliber, but the centers of the widest bullet holes may be only .20" apart.

Jim

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I have a Mdl 700 I am very pleased with in 30-06. However, that being said, there are 3 companies at the forefront of RKBA's. Glock (which doesn't make rifles), Beretta (same thing), and Browning. I'd get the Browning to reward those who fight the good fight. In addition, Browning makes excellent rifles, and how could any self-respecting gun owner not want to have the Browning name in his gun closet? I'm looking to get something either of Browning manufacture or JM Browning design. Then I'm finally going to get a Glock. No matter what anybody says, the Glock is just a darn good pistol. No matter what you choose, you will be happy. I don't think I've ever heard of someone getting a lemon in a Browning, and I've only heard one complaint about the M700. It was in Caliber 22-250, but the guy had hell getting it fixed or replaced. It is truly odd to buy a new rifle that is a lemon.
 
What news! I always measured from the outside of the holes. That means my gun shoots better than I had earlier claimed. What a glorious day.
 
Check out the Ruger. It has a very strong action and is very accurate. I like the No. 1 best. I wish they would make that stainless steel version in .270 or .30-06....

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Ben Lee
Student, Senior
Computer Science
Mississippi State University
Heed the man that owns only one rifle,
he likely knows how to use it.
- Anonymous
 
Hey Mississippi (did I spell that right? LOL) I don't know what caliber it is, but I just saw a Ruger #1 in stainless with a blk/gray laminated stock and foreend.

Anyway, PJ, check out Browning's Eclipse versions. They have several including Varmint models that are great for paper or varmints, a hunter model, and the M1000 Eclipse which is only in .300 Win Mag. It would be the ideal varmint rifle with 110 grain bullets, and will also kill anything in North America. Plus, it's the caliber that alot of 1000 meter competition shooters use so it's pretty accurate inherently. AND Browning has the BOSS system (ballistic Optimizing Shooting System). It's an adjustable weight that controls the harmonic vibrations of it's barrel so the bullet exits at the same (or close to it) point of vibration each time. Thereby creating better accuracy. I'm looking at buying one of these rifles soon myself. A friend has one and I was able to get a 3 shot, 100 yard group, measuring .36" with good reloads. Check it out at Browning's web site.

But one word of warning, the danged thing is HEAVY. But, if you're not climbing sheep mountains, may be just the ticket!



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Danny45
NRA, NAHC, Buckmasters
 
Give the Remington VS a try. I have one in .223 and it's a great shooter. I use it mostly for shooting at paper. The recoil of a .223 is a bit milder than .308 and easier on the shoulder. which equates to more time at the range. Also, the price of .223 is very reasonable. Good luck!
 
I shot a 0.284" group at 100 yards with my Browning Varminter .308 a couple of weeks ago. It is a very fine rifle. Go see one in a store, you will be impressed.

BTW The .223 is a good choice as well if where you shoot does not have windy conditions most of the time. If you are apt to shoot in windy conditions the the .308 is a much better choice. I do not notice any kick from my .308 win. The .308 also has the ability to take large game very well.

BTW2 If you are planning to hunt with the rifle and carry it over distances then I would say you should look at a different model than the Varminter. It is heavy and great for paper and sitting in one position as you hunt. But for walking I would say get a synthetic stocked thinner barreled gun. Be sure it has the BOSS on it though. That is a great invention. I have watched it turn 2" groups into under 0.5" groups in a matter of seconds.

Goodluck,

KilgorII
 
The BOSS (Ballistic Optimizing Shooting System) is a weight with micrometer adjustments at the end of the barrel. It comes in two forms, the muzzle braked form which is quite effective at reducing recoil, but loud. This is what I use. There is also the CR (Conventional Recoil) which does not have the holes in the side to reduce recoil. It is just a weight.

When a cartridge is fired it sends a shock wave through the barrel. The BOSS works by slightly changing the harmonics of the barrel so that the bullet leaves the end of the barrel at the peak or valley of a wave the instant the barrel is perfectly still. If the bullet leaves the rifling as the barrel is moving then it's trajectory will vary slightly. The BOSS cures this.

In a traditional barrel you have to find a load that happens to work with your barrel. If you do not reload then you will be stuck with only a few loadings that show great accuracy. With the BOSS you can tune the gun to the load, any load.

It works. I am very pleased and my next hunting rifle will be a lighter weight synthetic version in .308 win as I described above.

Have fun tracking down the rifle that is right for you.

KilgorII

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