Remington 700??

I don't know they have gone down hill. I have several. One is 35 years old and the others were purchased in the last 7 or 8 years. They all shoot pretty good.
 
geetarman said:
I don't know they have gone down hill.
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+1 ...I'll have to agree with geetarman. If anything, with improvements over the years in the safety, trigger & stock(s), they are better than ever.
 
Aren't they still a US military and police department issue rifle?
While that's not necessarily a guarantee of quality, it must carry some weight as to their usefulness.
 
Define downhill. Probably 20 years ago Remington started offering rifles with a cheaper finish and cheap plastic stocks on some budget models in order to offer a rifle at a reduced price. At the same time they continued to offer their top end rifles with a better finish and walnut stocks. Lots of guys complained about poor quality from the budget guns. I never understood that. If you want good stuff you have to pay for it.

Remington was still offering a well built rifle without the bells and whistles that shot just as well. Buyers were making a choice to buy a cheap, but perfectly functional rifle then complaining about poor quality when the option for better quality was there.
 
I have a 2 year old 700 and I love it. After replacing the xmark trigger, I can see why so man people complain about it, but it still shot well out of the box.
 
The quality issues with new 700's are almost always with the lower end models, such as the SPS line and ADL. And it is almost always cured with a better stock and/or bedding. The barreled actions are of the same quality throughout the 700 line except for the custom shop stuff. What varies is the quality of the finish, and the stocks.
 
Well that's good to here.I have been seeing a lot of complaints about quality control??? A friend wants a new rifle and he knows how well my adl shoots I just did not want to steer him in the wrong direction. Thanks!
 
I love my old 700. Just like the 870 Wing Masters... They are the standard and on top as far as I am concerned. Just take a look at their line up. They have a 700 for every one.
 
All rifles of any quality started going downhill when the internet started. As an active rifle shooter when the internet started the amount of rifles that shot 1/2 inch groups, with bad triggers exploded in population. Fantastic groups at extreme ranges are posted all the time.
The curious thing is though when I go to the range, I don't see the targets with 1/2 groups on them. OK, they may have taken the target home with them but the backer board don't show those groups either.
But I read it on the internet, but I for one don't believe it.:D
 
Remington was still offering a well built rifle without the bells and whistles that shot just as well. Buyers were making a choice to buy a cheap, but perfectly functional rifle then complaining about poor quality when the option for better quality was there.
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+1 for jmr40's response.

My son got a Remington 700 ADL rifle a few years ago. It is rough looking but it shoots really well. Over time he has upgraded the scope, rings, and mounts, as well as the trigger and it is a MOA rifle even with Remington's injection molded stock. I don't think Remington's quality dropped, I just think they started making cheaper model rifles to stay competitive in the market.
 
The only caution I can offer is that the stainless actions are softer than the blued, so if a rifle is to be used for extensive shooting, blued models stand up to the battering better and actions seem smoother.

I have two stainless models, which may stand up to poor weather and rigors of field use better than blued models. Scratches can be more easily hidden and rust has not been a problem.

My 1980's, 700 ADL has a nicely polished action and cut-checkered stock. I consider that manufacture series one of the best.
 
Oh I have to agree with all the other commentator's. I (don't) think Remington 700s have declined in fit and finish either. Just a small glitch with its trigger build was a slight problem for certain Serial Numbered rifles lately. Easily resolved in local Rem Service Centers or the use of American Made aftermarket parts.
I have 2- 700s myself and wouldn't part with either one. They ain't as pretty as some European & Japanese rifles or have fancy model names like Supreme or Battue. But,~~If I were to label my 700s. Without question both mine are "Working mans rifles." each providing me with accuracy & reliability. So as J270 asked: What year did this rifle start to go down hill? Not one iota Sir. If anything. They've improved over the years
 
For me it's not that the Remington 700 has gone down in quality...

It's that there's still a better bolt-gun with Winchester written on it! :D

The BDL's, CDL's, and the rest of the top shelf Rem's still seem like they're fit and finish is fine. The BULK pack ADLs and SPSs are what they are. Never did like the Remington triggers. The old model 70 design is my most favoritist hunting trigger.
 
The older model 700 trigger assembly, especially the one with the safety that had to be flipped off to work the bolt, was one of the most crisp, clean breaking triggers ever put on a factory hunting rifle. And they were just about the right pull weight for hunting use.

But they were also probably the most controversial trigger design ever as well. Everyone has seen the documentary, heard the stories and all that. But when they are kept relatively clean and not adjusted much below 3 lbs., they are just as safe as any other trigger IMO.

The X-mark pro on the other hand, I'm not a huge fan of. If I were to buy one that new I'd get a Timney for it.
 
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